Halo PC question

[drumguy763]

Hey I'm new to the forums, although I've checked some of the reviews...

Anyway I have a question about Halo.  I've heard it's a great game, and I've played it on xbox at my friend's house.  I want to get it for PC, but my parents don't like 'M' games.  I know my computer can handle it, and I really want the game.  I know there's blood, but most of it's aliens right?  Anybody out there to say whether or not it is appropriate?  (The same things goes for Half-Life 2, although it's gonna be a little while before that comes out.  I'll cross that bridge when I get there http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif.)

Thanks

BTW, I'm a 16 year old Christian.

[SSquared]

Hi! Welcome to the site and the forums. I was going to ask the SAME exact question. I noticed the 'M' rating and was wondering why it got that rating. MaxX will be coming out with a review for the game very soon, so it should hopefully cover that aspect.

The original HL did have some blood splatters and aliens eating off people's heads. I presume HL2 will have even more and it will look even more realistic. I really hope they don't turn up the language. They seemed to increase the bad language in 'Opposing Force'. Probably thinking Marines use harsher words.

[drumguy763]

Wasn't there a review for the Xbox version?  I believe they are the same except for a few minor graphical differences and some game conversion factors (no co-op, extra maps) http://pc.ign.com/articles/451/451902p1.html?fromint=1
I understand that the Xbox version did have some minor language.  How bad is this?  Warcraft 3 has a little, and I enjoy that game.

I agree about limiting the language.  IMO, either limit it (better yet, none), or have a filter.

[LionOfJudah]

i came i played i conquored it


the langauge is slight, it wasnt rampt, and infact there is very few talking out side of the cut scences and its mostly the marines that would use the language.
its basicly like the Xbox verion but converted to PC quality.

[Dr. Tek]

I viewed the HL2 videos. Its as bloody as before, and a little bit more gorey. Halo, doesn't that have green blood? Haven't played it for a while. Neither game would i recommend for anyone under 14, 15 ish.

[drumguy763]

Yeah I think the blood, at least for the aliens, is blue and green.  

So for those who have the Xbox version, do you think this game is ok for most people?  I know it got a mature rating, but is the content much worse than other FPS, such as Battlefield 1942, America's Army, or James Bond games?  It got the mature rating for blood and gore, but most is shooting aliens.  IMO, shooting aliens is not as bad as shooting people.

[CCGR]

We got MaxX's review but waiting for him to approve some edits. he gave it an A- on appropriateness but I'm disouting it because it has violence and swearing. I think it deserves a C in this catagory.

[Flashon]

Quote[/b] (CCGR @ Oct. 12 2003,11:22)]We got MaxX's review but waiting for him to approve some edits.  he gave it an A- on appropriateness but I'm disouting it because it has violence and swearing.  I think it deserves a C in this catagory.
RGR THAT!

I dun like Halo.. i stink at it too.. http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif whenever its on Xbox..

God>Fls>CS>everythin else>halo

http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif jk jk http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[Dr. Tek]

I can't really compare Halo or HL2 to any T rated game.  You also have to remember that BF1942 and AAO are both online games, which you get a lot of swearing in because of.  Halo, from what I remember, is fairly mild as far as M games go, its not the absolute blood fest of the Quake and DOOM games.  Langauge wise, I really don't remember how much was in Halo, since its been a couple of months since I played.  My recommendation for Halo would be if your 15 or older, and for HL2, that I would probably say would be 17, as the gore for it is much more then the original.  In short, for appropriate content, its better then most games, even some T, like WC3: Frozen Throne.

I'm also 16, and I play these games, if that helps any.

[MaxX]

Yea it has swearing (enough to notice) and fighting of course. I thought it was good gore wise actually, compared a lot of games out there.

[iamscott]

That's true. Especially compared to something like Counter-Strike. That game was fun, but bloody. The blood and gore in Halo seems more like, well, something that you might see in prime time television, although that is quickly getting worse. And the game is certainly not as violent as MOH:Frontline. I think it's just the gore factor, however, that stopped this game from getting a Teen rating.

[mrpopdrinker]

I just got the demo. I want to know does the guilt over killing these things ever go away? To quote Dr. Evil "there not evil enough."

[CCGR]

well I don't feel guilty because they shoot back

[mrpopdrinker]

Quote[/b] (CCGR @ Oct. 18 2003,9:30)]well I don't feel guilty because they shoot back
Well its just the grunts I think they are called. I meen they are just so stupid I fell like I am in a ward shooting the mentally unstable.

[Dr. Tek]

Quote[/b] ]I meen they are just so stupid I fell like I am in a ward shooting the mentally unstable.

got that right, but them other things are a little smarter.:cool:

[*AKA*Jester]

ummm, i feel i should chime in here. halo really isnt that gorey at all. there is no blood spraying out of the aliens when they get shot, just a small amount of blue stuff on the ground/floor. and the part in the one level where its all over the walls, but that looks more like someone sprayed laundery detergent all over and turned on a black light. the swearing wasnt that bad either, mild at best, no really coarse swearing. maybe im just desensitized to stuff like this though. i think the fact that you are using guns is why they gave it an m rating, and also because of the fact that the graphics slow the game down immensly on geforce fx cards... and seeing as i own an fx5600 it dosent run very well at all, unless i st theg rpahics way down, which sucks... oh well, like i said, i really dont think this game is cery bad at all. the swearing is very mild, the gore is almost not existent, and its a great game that everyone should get a chance to play.

and a shameless plug for me, a newbie game reveiwer www.eliteguild.com i just did one on the Call of Duty Demo.

[LionOfJudah]

try playing it on a harder diffaculty then Pop.:O http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[SSquared]

Jester, thanks for the feedback on the game. The thing is, I just plain don't like even mild swear words in a game. I realize, these days it's almost impossible not to have a 'D' or 'H' in there somewhere, so I am also concerned with frequency.

[MaxX]

there are a lot gorier games out there, actually most fps's are. I'm glad bungie didnt add tons of gore just because they could

[mrpopdrinker]

Quote[/b] (LionOfJudah @ Oct. 23 2003,1:32)]try playing it on a harder diffaculty then Pop.:O http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
I need to get around to buying it.

[iamscott]

I think that some of the swears are added in there to make it more 'adult'. Look at the console game BMX XXX, with its 'Keep it Dirty' moniker. The game is supposed to be incredibly juvenile, with cuss words and nudity, and everything that a teen with his hormones raging might find appealing. The real problem here is that with all the nudity, nasty 'comedy', as well as just the concept of a 'dirty' BMX game, people do become desensitized to disgusting stuff the world puts out.

Shooters, on the other hand, are generally not very objectionable. Look at Deus Ex. That game, while having a modest amount of blood/gore, didn't exactly put an emphasis on killing and death. It was a shooter with intelligence, unlike Quake or Doom, or even Wolfenstein. You chose a path through the adventure, while finding ways to either kill or not kill. It might be best in a situation to just subdue an enemy with the butt of a gun, or with a tranqualizer dart.

The much anticipated XIII, based on a French graphic novel, doesn't even look particularly violent for a shooter. It's plot is that you wake up on a beach with the number XIII tatooed on your chest. Soon, you find out that you might have assassinated the president of the United States. This plot, believe it or not, is much like that of The Bourne Identity, and it should be treated as such. But, of course, the stinking ESRB, with its' fake ratings (which they are. Do a little research on it.), has to rate the game Mature, for 'Intense Violence' and 'Blood'. C'mon! The game is cel-shaded, for goodness sakes'! The blood looks just about as unrealistic as possible, without straying from red in the spectrum of color!

Basically, I think that these people, who rate games, do not, absolutely do not, know what they are talking about. Any shooter with blood, it seems like, that was released after the tragedy at Columbine High School and 9/11, is rated Mature. Even games that weren't originally rated as such, like No One Lives Forever, or Dungeon Siege, or even the new Rainbow Six games, have been re-rated as Mature. This makes absolutely no sense, and it needs, desperately, to be dealt with. But it won't, of course.

It really is a shame. All these great games are rated Mature, and for what? Halo was even originally rated Teen, if you look at the old ads. Just a sprinkle of red pixles, and you've got yerself a gen-u-ine Ma-ture ra-t-ed vid-eo game, mister. Well, whatever. I've given up fighting that system. There's no hope for a change nowadays.

[Dr. Tek]

I agree. ESRB only uses the opinion of three testers. What happens is you get some guy that doesn't like shooters to begin with rate Halo M, and then have him rate a game like Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne, full of swearing the occult, and very bloody and dark, T. With Dungeaon Siege, it was released and sold with a T rating for a few months, and then all of sudden, a little M sticker gets slapped on to cover the T. ANother game, Ghost Recon, a very clean shooter, originally scheduled to be released spetmeber 30th, 2001 with a T rating, gets pushed back to Christmas with an M rating, all becuase of 9/11. There are a ton of other examples, but I do not want to take up too much space. In short to ESRB, give me a break and quit being hypocritical.:(

[CCGR]

orange font is hard on the eyes

[LionOfJudah]

just highlight it..... lol

[CCGR]

I did

[Dr. Tek]

Sorry, didnt realize my font color was set to that.:)

[*AKA*Jester]

i totally understand what you mean ssquared, and i completley respect that. i also think that the ratings are total crap. a bunch of seniors sitting around and at the mention of the word shoot automatically throw the M on the box, even when the next word after shoot was pool. this virtual pool game is rated M for extreme shooting action! OML!!! NOT THAT!!! so in retrospect, the rating system needs to be changed, and sane people need to rate thses games, not the ececntrics that are doing it now. its all thanks to the "blame it on something else so it dosent get balmed on us for being bad parents" mentality. stupid people i tell ya... basically unless the game is bambies super bible trivia quest it will probably be rated M for Moronic. im kinda rambling, but anyways... yeah, GO Marlins!!http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Flashon]

i don't see any swearing in CS http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif people do htat..

[Master_Chief]

Ok, appropriate?

Well, Blood:

You shoot someone, blood is on floor (not gross at all, my sis is 10 and she's like, "Thats not very realistic!")
Same with Covenant, only, llike, Blue Blood, or orange.

Gore:
None with Master Chief, None with Marines, None with Covenant, Some with Flood.

Not to be a spoiler here, but you can shoot Flood's heads and arms off. When you kill one, bits of Green stuff go flying, but it evaporates after a little while.

So, no gore really.

[iamscott]

That is completely true. I admit, I haven't played Halo in single-player, but it is substantially less bloody than CS. The other thing is that games like Splinter Cell have non-existent ratings...tell me, where is the blood in that game? No where, as far as I can tell. And then, sometimes, ratings are left out of games, such as in TWINE (The World Is Not Enough) where there is an Easter Egg that allows the player to cause another player to be covered in blood in multiplayer.

The other problem with ratings is the ratings themselves. Now, I did some research on this for an essay in school, and it turns out that the developers, not the so-called ESRB, rates the games. This 'ESRB' is a board comprised of parents who have probably never touched a video game in their life. And why don't the ratings mean anything? For the same essay, I called stores that sold games and asked to speak to their managers. GameForce, a smaller game trade-in place, told me that they ask parents if they don't know the kid. If they do, by some chance, know the kid, they let a kid, doesn't matter what age, go home with a Mature rated video game. Wal-Mart told me that they are trying to enforce a policy, and Toys 'R' Us barely knew what they were saying when I asked about their Mature rated game policy. As an aside point, on a recent visit to Blockbuster, I decided to rent a Mature game. Even though I told my mom it was rated Mature, she was distracted or something, and didn't hear me. The manager of the store didn't tell my mom that the game was rated Mature. She said, 'Thanks, Come Again,' and that was it. That is pretty crazy. You'd think a store that enforces R-rated movies like the plague would restrict Mature rated video games as well. But, of course, no. They can't do that.

The bottom line is, it eventually comes down to what the parents want. If they don't want a game like Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance in their household, they should enforce that. They shouldn't let their kids buy whatever kind of violent game that they can, mainly because it is a bad example for the kid. If the parent plays the violent game, fine. But they shouldn't allow such a game to even reach the ears of their child. It is simple responsiblity. How do you think kids learn about foul language and sex these days? The television. That medium is falling in the eyes of kids. Gaming is becoming the next Hollywood, and there is nothing to do to stop it. Likewise, Christians should not be lax about the games that touch the monitors. Find out about a game before you buy it. I learned the hard way with The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask. It seemed really cool at first, but it turned out a demon infested the mask. I'm sorry, but I'm not comfortable with a game that features demons. But that's just me. I, in turn, have recieved many an email about blood, violence, and demons that I object to in my reviews.

Whatever the case is with a Mature rated game, it should be the same as an R-rated movie. Games that always push the limits of moral decency will always be around. It is up to us to restrict it in our homes.

[Dr. Tek]

ANother thing about ESRB. The people who rate the game do not play. IN stead they take a short video froom the devopers, and rate the game off of this. DOes anyone else see a problem with this. This come right from the ESRB site itself.

[CCGR]

that's why I started CCGR.....

[MaxX]

ESRB suxors

[iamscott]

Well, something needs to be done about it. There's no point in having a rating system that means nothing.

To get a game certified with an ESRB rating, publishers fill out a detailed questionnaire explaining exactly what's in the game, and submit it to ESRB along with actual videotaped footage of the game, showing the most extreme content and an accurate representation of the context and product as a whole. Working independently, three trained raters then view the game footage and recommend the rating and content descriptors they believe are most appropriate. ESRB then compares the raters' recommendations to make sure that there's consensus. Usually, the raters agree and their recommendation becomes final. However, when the raters recommend different ratings, additional raters may be requested to review the game in order to reach broader consensus. Once consensus on a rating and content descriptors is reached, ESRB issues an official rating certificate to the game's publisher.

When the game is ready for release to the public, publishers send copies of the final product to the ESRB. The game packaging is reviewed to make sure the ratings are displayed in accordance with ESRB standards. Additionally, ESRB's in-house game experts randomly play the final games to verify that all the information provided during the rating process was accurate and complete.
---from the ESRB website

This is not game playing. It is anything but. A game that is rated for violence may not even contain violence, whereas a game rated for nudity may not contain nudity. There is no logical basis for the system.

Here are the rating reasons, and descriptions of what they mean:

Alcohol Reference - Reference to and/or images of alcoholic beverages

Animated Blood - Cartoon or pixilated depictions of blood

Blood - Depictions of blood

Blood and Gore - Depictions of blood or the mutilation of body parts

Cartoon Violence - Violent actions involving cartoon-like characters. May include violence where a character is unharmed after the action has been inflicted

Comic Mischief - Scenes depicting slapstick or gross vulgar humor

Crude Humor - Moderately vulgar antics, including bathroom humor

Drug Reference - Reference to and/or images of illegal drugs

Edutainment - Content of product provides user with specific skills development or reinforcement learning within an entertainment setting. Skill development is an integral part of product

Fantasy Violence - Violent actions of a fantasy nature, involving human or non-human characters in situations easily distinguishable from real life

Gambling - Betting like behavior

Informational - Overall content of product contains data, facts, resource information, reference materials or instructional text

Intense Violence - Graphic and realistic-looking depictions of physical conflict. May involve extreme and/or realistic blood, gore, weapons, and depictions of human injury and death

Mature Humor - Vulgar and/or crude jokes and antics including "bathroom" humor

Mature Sexual Themes - Provocative material, possibly including partial nudity

Mild Language - Mild references to profanity, sexuality, violence, alcohol, or drug use

Mild Lyrics - Mild references to profanity, sexuality, violence, alcohol, or drug use in music

Mild Violence - Mild scenes depicting characters in unsafe and/or violent situations

Nudity - Graphic or prolonged depictions of nudity

Partial Nudity - Brief and mild depictions of nudity

Sexual Violence - Depictions of rape or other sexual acts

Some Adult Assistance May Be Needed - Early Childhood Descriptor only

Strong Language - Profanity and explicit references to sexuality, violence, alcohol, or drug use

Strong Lyrics - Profanity and explicit references to sex, violence, alcohol, or drug use in music

Strong Sexual Content - Graphic depiction of sexual behavior, possibly including nudity

Suggestive Themes - Mild provocative references or materials

Tobacco Reference - Reference to and/or images of tobacco products

Use of Drugs - The consumption or use of illegal drugs

Use of Alcohol - The consumption of alcoholic beverages

Use of Tobacco - The consumption of tobacco products

Violence - Scenes involving aggressive conflict

I'm sorry, but a game that is cel-shaded, being XIII, rated M for Intense Violence? Give me a break. Unless gaping holes are shown, the violence can't be that intense. Perhaps State of Emergency, GTA3, or Max Payne should be rated M for...oh, no, wait, the system is bogus.

These ratings are no longer used.



Gaming - Betting-like behavior

Mild Animated Violence - Mild cartoon or pixilated scenes depicting animated characters in unsafe and/or violent situations

Mild Realistic Violence - Mild photographic-like detailed depictions of characters in unsafe and/or violent situations

Animated Violence - Cartoon or pixilated scenes depicting animated characters in unsafe and/or violent situations

Realistic Violence - Photographic-like detailed depictions of characters in unsafe and/or violent situations

Animated Blood and Gore - Cartoon or pixilated images of blood or the mutilation of body parts

Realistic Blood and Gore - Photographic-like detailed depictions of blood or the mutilation of body parts

Realistic Blood - Photographic-like detailed depictions of blood

Reading Skills, Fine Motor Skills, Higher-Level Thinking Skills - These phrases are found only on products rated Early Childhood and indicate whether children's reading, computer, or other skills are used in these titles

How realistic can blood get? How realistic can any of these things get? While it may be okay within the industry for these developers to do the ratings, which is basically what is done, I don't hold to these 'ratings'. They exist to satiate the controversy in Washington D.C. That's it. Nothing besides that is what they are for.

Give me a break.

[Dr. Tek]

There "standards" *cough* excuses *cough* are way to vague.  Ive never played a game that has completely accurate content descriptors.  What really gets me is that an ESRB rating is optional, and the developers know this, yet they still submit their games for review to ESRB to apease the public.  Secondly, I do not think it is fair that ESRB tends to hold a monoply on the game rating industry.  In this way they can bias the public to their own views of gaming.  Developers of these games need an alternative to ESRB, and one that rates objectively and not on bias.

[MaxX]

Ive played E rated games that had swearing

[Dr. Tek]

me too. but thats allowed. ive played e with blood also. im really getting ticked at ESRB...:angry:

[iamscott]

I've played an E game with graphic double entendre. It was Banjo-Tooie. I've seen games that rated T for Violence, Strong Language, and Mature Sexual Themes, whereas a game that is rated M for Gambling and Mature Sexual Themes is rated differently than a game with far worse. It is so messed up.

[Dr. Tek]

Its more then messed up, its just plain beyond all and any comprehensible logic.  And the sad thing is, ESRB can influence people with this logicless logic. http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[iamscott]

Okay, I've got a great idea. Let's just not even look at the ratings. We could find out what the games have in the them, and then just forget about the rating! It's the perfect plan...:blues:

[MaxX]

yea but what about parents that can't play games adn dont want their kids playing something with a lot of gore...my answer would be to stop being lazy and play it yourself anyway but it doesnt always work out

[iamscott]

I just rented Resident Evil 0 for Halloween. The only truly objectionable thing is the gore, because the game is about a virus.

Still, games with that kind of content in them need to be restricted, so kids that aren't old enough (read:get scared), and kids that have some problems with that kind of content have restricted viewing. Games like Silent Hill need to be kept from innocent wandering eyes. The first time I saw Silent Hill in action, I was twelve years old, playing multiplayer Pokemon with a friend. We were playing it in his family room, and his older brother (read: fifteen) and his brother's friend were playing Silent Hill. It was possibly the most disturbing thing I have ever seen. There was a girl who got possessed, and was chasing a man around a carousel with an axe. Her eyes were red, and she was emitting low, gutteral grunts and groans that accentuated the mood of the horror. The game was very well done, but extremely dark and graphically violent, with tons of gore. On the other hand, a game like Resident Evil goes for the less intelligent, more adrenaline packed game play, that, while featuring a great story and action packed sequences, doesn't focus on all out terror like the SH games do.

In a lesser note, why is it that games like THPS that have become bloody in recent years, why is it that they are kept from a Mature rating? These games often feature questionable content in songs, as well as some pretty suggestive stuff, unfortunately enough.

There is a horrible double standard in the gaming industry. Games have gone from simplistic pixels to vector graphics, to two dimensional platformers, to graphically violent games. It seems like half the games on the market today are done by Quentin Tarantino, what with the blood lust. Games have evolved from the games that attracted little kids looking for fun, to the now grown-up kids that go for the goriest games imaginable. And, as always, the game with the most expensive marketing campaign wins out. Why do you think that pretty bad games get sold? Because the producers have TONS of money.

However, I am this thread has gotten me thinking. Why not create a petition to alter the way the ESRB does things? I think I might write my congressman to find out the situation on this decidedly controversial topic.

[Dr. Tek]

i agree, im up for any petition for change, anyone else?

but al congress might do is make esrb a government agancy, thereby making their biases official and legal.

[CCGR]

well if we were to do this we would need to set up an appropriate standard and adhere to it fo all reviews etc

[Dr. Tek]

isnt that the point we all have been making? id rather have strict standards then lax subjectives biases influencing the way a game is rated.

[CCGR]

I just mentioned the adhere part because CCGR currently lets reviwers do their own style as long as appropriateness is mentioned

[iamscott]

I've been saying for a while that we need to establish a reviewer criteria. This might just be an extension of that, to some extent.

[satjome]

I like halo, but i TOTALLY STINK at it , my computer specs don't support even the demo

[Dr. Tek]

Halo rocks, and my pc can just run it at full everything, only slow when im usin a plasma rifle fightin a buch of elites with them, as that is a heavy dose of particles.

its a good game, and up until the other day, i saw no problem with it at all. yes the game has some blood and violence, but wht game dont, and there is a few minor swears, but i can overlook that, its just the character model and skin that the developers gave to cortana when she is visible as a holgram, there is a slight problem here that may not jump out at everyone right away, especially if u have the texture quality set to low. just thought i would bring this issue up so maybe somethin about it can be mentioned in the review.

[CCGR]

hmm I might have missed the cortana thing...

[Dr. Tek]

i didnt recognize it til i had texture and stuff set to high, but its there alrgiht:(

[MaxX]

yea her butt is rather visible

maybe i should update the review to reflect that...

[CCGR]

please do MaxX

[satjome]

I love tom clancy games and books but still don't see why his newer ones are getting M ratings even tho they have an option to TURN OFF THE BLOOD the ESRB is going lax on some game and whacking the innocent ones

[CCGR]

yup ESRB not making sense these days

[mrpopdrinker]

My brother wanted me to ask two halo questions. 1. How many multiplyer maps? 2. I wasent going to ask this because it is silly but I will anyway. Do any of the multiplayer maps have snow? Thanks.

[iamscott]

Well, I only know about the multiplay maps, but yes, a couple do have snow. Most are kinda metallic, though.

The ESRB has mood swings. That's the only way to put it. I mean, c'mon, games like Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six have ALWAYS had blood. There's no escaping it. Heck, they said that Splinter Cell had blood, but there's none that I could see. Well, they did mention blood once...maybe that's what they're rating...?

[satjome]

But splinter cell DEPENDED on steath and stratagy, you could almost always use non-lethal methods like metal discs or knockout gas

[Dr. Tek]

y are they rated m unlike the other ones, 2 words, september 11th. ghost recon was to be released setp 2001 witth a t rating, however 9/11 delayed it til christmas and affected the rating.

Halo has 16 multiplaer maps, with bout 3 or 4 with snow that i know of.

Its not that esrb has slacked off, its just they never had it together in the first place.

[satjome]

Black thorn ROX you can get the demo and it still doen't have blood, but the game play in't any different and it is still a pretty darn fun game

[Dr. Tek]

remember that demos r usually toned down versions of the game, since they r freely available to people of all ages.

[iamscott]

And then there's games like the Mac version of Command and Conquer, which was rated M for blood and gore, while the PC ver. was rated T.

Does anyone remember an M rated ver. of StarCraft? Why was it rated like that?

[Dr. Tek]

yeah, i saw it in the stores. it was m for language, animated blood and gore, and violence. i knida agree with it.

[Code]

Hi, I don't know if this has been adressed, but Halo PC's blood can be turned off. Just hit F2 and then Video settings, then turn Decals to "off"

If you are a Halo freak, or just like Halo, go to halo.bungie.org (http://halo.bungie.org)

They have TONS of Halo stuff and a great forum.

I really like Halo....I could drone on and on and on about it, but no one would really like that.

[Dr. Tek]

blood aint no prob

[mrpopdrinker]

Quote[/b] (Dr. Tek @ Nov. 13 2003,5:30)]blood aint no prob
The more the better. Anyone remember the bloodbath mod for shogo?

[Dr. Tek]

nvr played it. i put 6 blood mods in mohaa, talk about a lot of red that is.

[mrpopdrinker]

Quote[/b] (Dr. Tek @ Nov. 13 2003,5:46)]nvr played it.  i put 6 blood mods in mohaa, talk about a lot of red that is.
It is a old game my brother in law showed me.

[MaxX]

join my clan code ;)

[Code]

what?

http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif???

That was a little random.

You do know that a little more information is required...?

[Dr. Tek]

a halo clan? i dont have a halo clan yet . . .

[MaxX]

Clan BT (http://www.halo-bt.vze.com)

well, no one ever seems to care when i try to advertise my clan so i didnt think it nessesary to put any... -_-

[Dr. Tek]

now that my et clan aint expanding to halo, ill check u guys out, nice site, btw

[MaxX]

thanks i made it http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[iamscott]

So...anyway....

Who's up for a petition?

[Dr. Tek]

i am cuz my opinion for esrb in non-existent, sry bout goin off topic

[CCGR]

sure!

[iamscott]

Okay. So, what should we petition? I mean, it is quite obvious that many people do not have an...exactly high opinion of the ESRB. How do we craft this? We need to have a formulated view that will show those who are unhappy with this organization that we mean to have things changed. Any suggestions?

[Dr. Tek]

to start with, they need to adhere to their so called standards, which in everycase of any game i look at, they all fall short of wht they claim to want to do. They mis-rate games all the time, falsely deceiving the public into the subjective views of gaming, sry if this is a little to broad, so let me think on it for a while.

[Code]

YAY!!! A petition! Are we really going to do it? I'd love to!

Wait...what are we petitioning for? The rating? To change to T? I'm all up for that. ...but not if we change it to AO...

[Dr. Tek]

not just for halo, but esrb policy in general, so they live up to wht they say the y gonna do, since we all know right now they dont. the more i play thru halo, i can see why it should be m, but for reasons esrb neglected to mention.

[MaxX]

I'm sure theres something like that already. The trouble is no one listens to online petitions these days, at least not as far as I've seen. http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Dr. Tek]

they do if u make so they cant ignore them, as in u send ur petition to other groups as well to let them know wht ur doing, in this case, to developers and game review sites too, so that way esrb cannot just push it under the carpet and act like it dont exist.

[iamscott]

As well as sending letters to magazines that people read. If you do that, then it really cannot be ignored. The ESRB is a non-profit organization. It really has to listen to us.