Ninja Gaiden

[TrigunX89]

I've been drooling over NG for the last couple of months now... I got my hands on the playable demo, and it is great! Or is it? Well you see, I'm debating whether to get it, based on appropriateness. I know it's rated M, and I am only 15, but my parents are leaving it up to me to choose.

It is a very fun game! The main problem is that the whole game basically requires you to run around slashing people's heads off, and stuff like that, while performing cool ninja moves and solving puzzles. The heads flying off was a bit shocking when I first saw the trailer, but after playing the game, it doesn't really bother me. It all disappears quickly.

Anyway, this is a very fun game, but very violent. I, personally, am not really bothered by it, but is that a bad thing? If anyone here knows much about the game, maybe they could give me their thoughts. Thanks.

[Dr. Tek]

Same here, violence and gore in games has never bothered me, smae for movies, and on a few occasions, in real life. When buying a game, violence and blood really play no role in making my decision unless its something that I know my little bro, who watches all the games I play, does not need to see. When DOOM 3 comes out, thatll be a game I only play on occasions when hes not around.

If it dont bother you and you arent playing the game for some odd reason like taking pleasure out seeing heads fly, lol, then Id say go for it if you like the game. Just my opinion anyhow.

[TrigunX89]

Cool, thanks. No, I'm not playing it to se heads fly lol. And I'm the youngest and only kid still living at home, so I don't have to worry about scaring anyone.

[TrigunX89]

Well, I went ahead and pre-ordered it from ebgames with the free wall scroll, $10 voucher, and free shipping.

Is anyone else here planning on getting the game when it comes out?

[Dr. Tek]

If it was on gcn or pc, dont know what its on, lol, I might have looked into it, Ill play most games that are supposed to be decent, whether or not they are a type of game I like, lol.

[TrigunX89]

Lol that's cool. This game is exclusively on Xbox though. It's one of Xbox's most anticipated games of the year. Right up there with Halo 2, Fable, Doom 3, and some others.

[Dr. Tek]

Probably why I didnt know what system it was on, I tend to not keep up on console games, and occasionally buy on for my GCN if I happen to be out shopping and see something thats supposed to be good, altho out of the 8-10 games Ive bought for it, only 4 have been worth playing more then once, lol.

[TrigunX89]

Yeah, I've found that most of my GCN games don't have too much lasting appeal. If you're looking for a good one, I'd suggest Viewtiful Joe or F-Zero GX. But that's just me. http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[daszo24]

This game sounds awesome, and the violence doesn't bother me, but from what I can tell, the supporting female character doesn't like to wear clothes, so she gets by with the absolute bare minimum. I hope this isn't true, but I would be surprised if this isn't the case http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif I'd like to hear your impressions about the game when you get it.

[TrigunX89]

Sure thing! I'll let ya know, and maybe even write a review. It should take me a long time to beat it though. I hear it's a 20 hour game, and I have a bad habit of getting stuck in the middle of a game and then losing interest...

It is true, that there is a female character in the game that doesn't where too much clothing. I do not know, however, how often she makes her appearance in the game. To give you an idea, if you have ever played Soul Calibur 1 or 2, think of Ivy's costume. It's similar. I think both characters are butt-ugly anyway though. I think they're too manly and gross me out lol. But that's just me...

[Tolkien]

Well, I currently have the game, and I've been playing it since last Thursday, however I came to a decision about it yesterday and I am planning to sell it.


The Good
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The graphics and game play are awesome!  There were many times that I lost focus on what I was supposed to be doing next due to simply exploring the game environment.  The water effects are amazing, the video cut scenes are jaw dropping, and the in-game graphics are beautiful.

The controls are easy to learn, but it will take a lot of practice if you truly want to master them.  The are different sets of moves for each weapon, the weapons are upgradeable, and you can unlock even more moves as you play through the game.  It's kind of like playing a fighting game as an adventure game.

The variety of commands available to your character, such as wall running, wall jumping, running on water, etc., makes the platform puzzles challenging yet fun.  Many of the moves are similar to Prince of Persia, but I'd say that Ninja Gaiden does a better job.  

As for replay value, the game is very difficult on Normal mode, and there is Hard and Very Hard modes after completing Normal.  There are also quite a few items to collect including golden scarabs, new weapons, and new moves, beating the game will unlock a new costume and sword, and can also unlock the original three Ninja Gaiden games by performing various tasks.

Also, coming in May will be a tournament in which the content will be streamed directly through Xbox Live to the Xbox.  I could be mistaken, however based upon my understanding; the tournament will be single player levels that you play through to get the best possible score.  Your score will most likely then be compared with other player's scores around the world.


The Bad
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One very minor complaint I had was the camera.  It isn't too bad and it's better than in most 3rd person adventure games, but it still gets a little annoying in confined areas.  As I said though, it is a very minor complaint.  The camera really isn't too bad and it can be centered behind your character by simply pressing the right trigger button.

One thing that I should also point out is that this game is bloody.  VERY BLOODY!  In defeating the enemies, they disappear in a bloody mess.  Also, very often in defeating many of the opponents, you will see their heads flying off.  Fortunately the blood doesn't hang around; otherwise the levels would quickly be bathed in red.  Of course if you buy or rent the game, you are warned of the Violence and Blood and Gore on the back of the case.


The Ugly
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This is the part where the 'From a Christian Perspective' comes in.

Ninja games tend to go hand in hand with Eastern religions.  Ninja Gaiden is not an exception.  Throughout the story, you will find many references to demons and gods and you will find a lot of symbols that tie in with paganistic beliefs.

Another problem that needs to be noted which was not mentioned on the back of the box in the 'M' rating is the fact that Team Ninja remained faithful in their tradition of having one or more female characters of unrealistic proportions wearing as little clothing as possible.


In Summation
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The beautiful graphics and exciting game play makes Ninja Gaiden a very addictive game.  However, due to the paganistic beliefs, scantily clad characters, and bloody graphics, I would recommend that Christians run away from the ninja.


Game Play: A
Sound: A
Graphics: A
Appropriateness: F
Controls: A


OVERALL RATING:  F
(due to the inappropriate content in this game, I am unable to recommend it)

[CCGR]

we use use that as a review for CCGR?

[Tolkien]

That's fine. It may need a little polishing up though. I wrote it pretty quick and I tend to find a lot of spelling and gramatical typos on my rough drafts.

I'll see if I can polish it up tonight and/or tomorrow. That would be cool though. My 3rd ccgr review. http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[CCGR]

dang look at my question, meant to say can we use...heh Your grammar is fine compared to mine!

[TrigunX89]

Wow, nice review!  I just got the game today.  I agree with you for the most part.  However, The game gets an A in everything except appropriateness.  Yet the overall score still gets an F.  Shouldn't it at least get a B or C overall? http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[CCGR]

yeah I would do my rating scale it would probably get a C

[Tolkien]

Well, you can adjust it as you feel appropriate, however I added the (not an average) comment for a reason. I kind of borrowed the idea of that from some christian movie reviews I read on a regular basis.

I felt that the appropriateness of it brought it down too much. Of course, the grades could just be left off. Not all the reviews on CCGR are using them.

[CCGR]

I leave the grading up to the reviewer, I don't to be too bossy http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Tolkien]

I made some changes with the assistance of my wife and I think it's ready for you to do whatever you'd like with it.

This review will probably tick some people off, but that's ok.  I just tried being honest about my impressions.

It's also probably worth noting that I was able to return Ninja Gaiden last night and I exchanged it for another game.

[CCGR]

nothing wrong with honesty, if people really agree or disagree with it, that's what the comment button is for. did you submit it throught the site? you can also e-mail it to ccgr@ccgr.org

[Tolkien]

Well, I tried to submit it and had some problems. I'm just going to email it to you if it's alright. I've also got a few screenshots I'll send with it. Take your pick out of them for the header picture, or you might be able to find a better one.

[CCGR]

I uploaded it here is the url http://www.ccgr.org/article_read.asp?id=466

Are you a member on CCGR? I linked the review to tolkien but it doesn't seem like it's a valid memeber and it leads people to CGA. If you sign up on CCGR when people click on your name as the author they can pull up your profile.

[Tolkien]

Well, I used to be Criostoir on CCGR, but that was way back on the old forums and I don't think I registered again after you set up the new portal.

I went ahead and just registered under the name Tolkien.  You can link the Ninja Gaiden review to me now, and while you're at it, can you relink the Halo (xbox) and Prisoner of War (xbox) reviews back to me again?

Thanks! http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[CCGR]

The Ninja Gaiden auomatically linked itself, the other two are tied to you now as well. Thanks!

[Tolkien]

Cool, does that mean that I get my name in the Staff section too? http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

If I can get some time, I'll have to see if I can write up a couple more Xbox reviews. (being busy with school and work leaves little free time unfortunatley though.)

[CCGR]

yup I'll add you to staff, if you want an e-mail addy let me know too

[Dr. Tek]

What exactly makes a person "staff," just writing reviews or something? Ive seen a few mentions of it, but was never sure, lol.

[daszo24]

Actually, I thought it was an outstanding and honest review. Sure, it doesn't go into alot of detail, but that's fine. If it didn't have the female character that it does, then I would probabally get it when it came down in price. I'm just not going to buy a game with that kind of stuff though. It's pathetic that developers put this kind of stuff into good games.

[Tolkien]

I honestly began writing it as my own thoughts on the game rather than a review, but it kind of turned into a sort of review.

I don't know what the content is like beyond Chapter 5 since that was the point I stopped playing, but a friend of mine who has beaten it now let me know that Rachel is in the game more frequently near the end, and the pagan content gets a lot worse near the end. It's probably best that I stopped playing when I did.

When I was playing it, I was telling myself, "I don't believe in this stuff and I'm not really paying too much attention to the story, so it's not a big deal." The problem is that the more we are exposed to stuff like that, the more desensitized we become to things. It's almost like climbing stairs. Each time you expose yourself to something, it gets easier and easier to tolerate until you aren't bothered by it anymore.

I honestly don't know why I just typed all that stuff really either. (It's late and I'm not thinking clearly)

Well, maybe it'll help someone. http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[TrigunX89]

Hmm... I'm towards the end of chapter 6 right now. I really haven't had much of a problem with anything. But that's just me. I think Rachel is ugly anyway, and you can skip the cutscenes. The whole religious aspect is not necessary, but I just ignore it. Well anyway, I plan to play it to the end and see for myself.

[CCGR]

Tolkien you're on the staff page. I consider people staff when they write 2 or more reviews. Unless they want to offer other things to the site like news items etc.

[SSquared]

Wow! The review has already had 3000 hits in 3 days!!!!!

[CCGR]

yeah I don't know where they are coming from I can't track it

[Tolkien]

It's a big hit game right now, and it is probably one of the best action/adventure games ever.  Unfortunately as I mentioned though, some of the negative content made me realize that I shouldn't be playing it.

In the back of my mind I've got the perfect verse explaining why we should be careful about the stuff we watch and play...but I can't think of it.

One thing that comes to mind is a verse from my bible study the other night.  The context of this passage is specifically talking about accumulating wealth, but I think the verse could also be applicable in this instance.

Quote[/b] ]The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!  Matthew 6:22, 23

Of course the review is written as my opinion based upon what God has shown me. The only person I can be responsible for is myself.

[SSquared]

It's already over 4000 since I wrote the message. It's 10 PM PST and there are 53 guests on, mostly looking at the review. But I wonder if something strange is up. I've waited a little bit and it's now up to 64. Wait...now 70. It gains 1 about every 5 seconds. Now up to 81. And the thing is, they have on-line times of 0 minutes. Just about anyone else with any significant amount of time is browsing another article.

[TrigunX89]

Hmm... That is odd... Could it be aliens?

(Kidding, of course.)

It is one of the biggest games of this year. Getting a lot of hits would make sense, but that 0 minutes online thing is wierd.

And did anyone see what vash-style posted on the review? Maybe some people got mad and are trying to use your bandwith? Just a guess. I think it's just plain stupid when people come to CCGR and bash Christianity. http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Mr.Spam]

Your review is aweful and completely pathetic. You cant praise a game so much then drop it to the worst grade possible because of some skantly clad woman.

Even worse if your lack of standard for all reviews. DOA3 is far worse IMHO yet it gets a much better rating.

I understand there different reviewers but still some continuity between scores wouldve been nice.

There has been many heated discussions at Teamxbox on your right to judge the game so harshly and the term pagan for a religion that isnt christian.

- Mr.Spam  (Teamxbox)

Mainly; http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?threadid=250450

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?threadid=250610

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?threadid=250449

[Tolkien]

There are enough lamers out with no lives that I wouldn't be surprised if someone is attempting a DOS attack.

What many of them don't understand is that the review was written by a christian FOR christians.

I don't expect anyone else to get anything out of it.

I said that it was going to be controversial though, didn't I? http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

I also find it humorous that the assumption is being made that I'm a "kid". (although sometimes my wife might agree with that -- I am a 28 year old gamer after all).

[CCGR]

Sorry they are bashing you Tolkien, if they weren't laughing that would mean our site is too lukewarm. I think we are offending them more with the 50% than they are offending us. Just some fanboys upset that their game got a low score.

[psyllo]

i think its sad review just because of the blood
and the so called naked woman
i mean im christian but this is little over the top guys
look around u and u will see the world is changing
so we got to change with it

[Tolkien]

Quote[/b] (CCGR @ Mar. 12 2004,7:25)]Sorry they are bashing you Tolkien, if they weren't laughing that would mean our site is too lukewarm.  I think we are offending them more with the 50% than they are offending us. Just some fanboys upset that their game got a low score.
It's no problem.  I'm not offended in the least.

[Tolkien]

Quote[/b] (psyllo @ Mar. 12 2004,7:35)]i think its sad review just because of the blood
and the so called naked woman
i mean im christian but this is little over the top guys
look around u and u will see the world is changing
so we got to change with it
Psyllo, did you even read the review? I mean the WHOLE review???

First please note that the review is written with Christian gamers in mind.

Now the violence and blood was a factor in the appropriateness rating, but it was not a major factor. Please take note of this statement from the review:

Quote[/b] ]The reason I decided to include this here rather than the section below is because consumers are clearly warned of the Violence and Blood & Gore content on the back of the case with the M rating.

Now main reason the score dropped drastically was due to the occultic content. The couple of levels are alright with little or no occultic symbols or pagan content. As the game progresses, the eastern/pagan content escalates.

As I mentioned, the review is written for Christian gamers in mind. Yes it is just a game, but an Ouija board is also a game manufactured by Parker Brothers.

Yes I did make a comment regarding Rachel's outfit mostly because it was unnecessary and unrealistic. If it were a person trying to fight in an outfit like that, she would spend more time trying to not fall out of the outfit rather than fighting. The other reason I wanted to comment on it was because Christians and parents need to be made aware that she is in the game. The rating on the box gives no indication that you will meet a half-dressed female character at some point in the game.

regarding this statement:
Quote[/b] ]u will see the world is changing
so we got to change with it

Yes the world is changing, but as Christians, we are instructed to set ourselves apart rather than conform to the world's standard.

Quote[/b] ]You are the salt of the earth; but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trodden under foot by men. "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hid. Nor do men light a lamp and put it under a bushel, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven. Matthew 5:13-16

[psyllo]

i stil think u are little harsh i mean common those object u are reffering to are just objects used for the game and i think it shouldn't make any difference if there occult or not its just part of the game common its not like its anti christians
and the way u put it its like the game is straight from hell
i still know how my salt tastes and i dont need matthew for that thanks i m cristian but not brainwashed

[Orochimaru]

Okay, i understand your point where the game 'may' head towards. But games are supposed to be fun, whatever they present will not change my faith and beliefs about God. If you're really afraid of some demons, signs, etc., in the game will make you loose that faith and beliefs, you need help with your christianity.

Also, this is by far, the worst calculation ever seen by a mathematician (myself).

Quote[/b] ]
Game Play: A
Sound: A
Graphics: A
Appropriateness: F
Controls: A

Overall Rating: F


I am deeply sorry, but English isn't my primary language. Best wishes to your site and upcoming articles/reviews.

>>

Luismps (TeamXbox Forums)
aka Orochimaru

[Dr. Tek]

No, we will not change, and I for one will not fall into apostasy as you so have demonstrated by  your words.  I hold firm to my convictions and will NOT compromise any of my beliefs, and if that means people will take offense to them, it wont be the first, and it wont be the last, and I will not give up the fight for my faith.  On a similar note, its rather amazing how many self-proclaimed atheists, agnostics, etc, in gaming communities are open to what I and other Christians they have some respect for have to say, yet more opposition to things I have said come from so-called Christians, lol, rather sad...

As for the game or review, I have no comment, since I have not played it and have not placed trust in many people for a long time, and no longer make decisions based soley off of what others say.

[psyllo]

i have respect for what u think tek but i just think its way over the top just my humble opinoin
im mean common whenthey write a review like that ....
its normal people get mad about it
if u check out gamerankings u will see there are not many reviews who share the same tought
http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/561532.asp
but then again not many reviews are made from some christian extremist

[Dr. Tek]

I also do mind you that these are reviews only, a written opinion of an individual, and not a rating system the should show total coherence to a set system of standards. You look at other places that do reviews, and there is no continuity amonst them either.

[psyllo]

and tolkien iff u realy think u should keep on defennding and not changing than u guys are no better then some muslim extremist who still life in the middle ages and the way they respect woman etc... just because the koran says so

[Dr. Tek]

Truth does not change, so neither will I since I have found it, and any Christian that truly has complete faith in God, which you obviously dont, will think likewise.

[Tolkien]

Quote[/b] (psyllo @ Mar. 12 2004,8:53)]and tolkien iff u realy think u should keep on defennding and not changing than u guys are no better then some muslim extremist who still life in the middle ages and the way they respect woman etc... just because the koran says so
Dr. Tek summed things up nicely in his statement, but I'll comment as well.

I am charged to be prepared to make a defense to any one who calls to me to account for the hope that is in me, but I am to do it with gentleness and reverence. (1 Peter 3:15)

I believe in God the Father maker of Heaven and Earth. In Jesus Christ, His only begotten Son who laid down his life willingly on the cross so that we may be saved.  I believe in the resurrection on the third day which promises eternal life for me.

I know that God loves me and has given me a gift of grace and salvation which I do not deserve.

Because of what I know, I am to hold fast to what I know is true, keeping the faith, and remaining steady in my walk with the Lord.  

I am not perfect.  I have failed, and I'm sure that I will fail many more times in my life. That doesn't mean that God loves me any less, but I am still responsible for my actions and I must remember that my walk will have an effect upon the lives of those around me.

Quote[/b] ]Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Hebrews 12:1, 2

[psyllo]

amen to that i like the talk it even makes sense but i dont like your review and of story, ill leave u guys in peace and may the lord be with u:)

[CCGR]

we leave it up to the readers to decide if they want to play the game after seeing what's inside. We're not brain washing them, just informing them. Tolkien decided to return the game due to his convictions, I can respect that decision but I don't expect all Christians to do so. It's up to them.

[Tolkien]

Quote[/b] (CCGR @ Mar. 12 2004,9:49)]we leave it up to the readers to decide if they want to play the game after seeing what's inside.  We're not brain washing them, just informing them.  Tolkien decided to return the game due to his convictions, I can respect that decision but I don't expect all Christians to do so.  It's up to them.
http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Yeah, what she said! http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Thanks CCGR!

[909]

I'm also from the TXB forums and I think the review is silly.

HOWEVER, I have respect for you and your belief. I'm glad people like you and Mel Gibson are willing to show the world your convictions, whether they like it or not. There's thousands of reviewers and reviewing publications out there, and none of them really cater to any "belief" standards. I think this site is a valuable tool for Christians. What most idiots over at the TXB boards don't understand is that you guys have built this site for YOU. So you can decide whether or not to buy or rent a game based on your peer's perspective and you can trust that.

Unfortunately, while public atheism and agnosticism is OK in today's world, if a Christian wants to share their perspective based on their belief even privately, as this site is supposed to be (directed for Christians to view, not the public) they can't even do that! It's unbelievable how shallow and hateful some people are, just because they disagree with a religion and the opinions that come with it.

So in closing, I support you guys 100%. Even though the "scantily clad women" comment made me laugh and I may disagree with the review, it's 100% your right to do so! You own the site and you make the rules! More power to you guys, and hold on to what you believe, because that's all you have in this world. If you let some hateful idiot take it from you, you've forsaken who you really are.

BTW, don't bother posting at TXB, you'll be eaten alive by atheists and agnostics. I mean I'm not even Christian and I get eaten alive because I spend half my time there trying to defend you guys.

I don't know why the world is so threatened by you guys. You're some of the nicest people I've ever met!

[Tolkien]

Thanks for the comments.

I understand what you mean about the "scantily clad" comment I included, and it is a minor issue in the game. I did feel it was worth mentioning though because it isn't listed in with the M rating, and many parents and Christians would want to know about it. Honestly, I didn't feel that Rachel needed to be dressed that way simply because it wasn't necessary to the story and it was unrealistic. It is a game, but my impression is that the designers created Rachel's character design simply to appeal to hormonally challenged teens. (I was one once, so I think I can say that.)

Also, thanks for the advice. I've read a few comments there, and I honestly saw no need to really defend myself, and I also knew that commenting there would be like entering a den of hungry lions.

As you observed, the review is written for a specific target audience, and the individuals who strongly disagree with the review probably are not that audience.

Thanks again for the comments and the compliments! http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[efini]

Could someone here explain to me why you all feel it's bad to view images and discussion regarding Pagan symbology and legend.

My understanding of the beliefs of Jesus is that he would have embraced the value in understanding other beliefs. These ideas are not "from satan" they are simply legends and stories from another culture in another time. Their lessons have as much value as the lessons taught from Jesus and other christians if you allow yourself to be open to them, learn from them and take them for what they are.

I appreciate your time in answering my querry.

[psyllo]

i also dont understand why its a problem that there are other more eastern religus object in the game

[909]

That isn't the problem... This site nor the review is even for you.  It's for Christians.  The reviewer is merely pointing out that there are eastern religious thoughts in the game.  A lot of Christians on this site would like to know that that's in a game.  Their reasons for wanting to stay away from these types of religions should not concern you.  They're not saying EVERYONE shouldn't adhere to eastern religions, they're pointing it out for people that want that information. Who are you to judge them for that? In the same way you stay away from all religions, they have the right to want to stay away from eastern religions if they so want.

[psyllo]

im a christian and i like to know why it should be a problem when a play a game with a budha in for example that doesnt change my believe does it??

[efini]

Yes, but I think I pose a valid question. I seek to offend no one, simply understand better. I was not bothered by the fact that he pointed out the eastern content. I'm just curious as to why it may be "bad" to view it in some chrisians viewpoint.

My point is that I think being closed, shutting out, choosing to ignore and not seeking to understand another religion or point of view is very un-christ like.

PS. Why do you have images of violence in you avatar if you claim to be christian?

[Tolkien]

I understand your question and I will respond to it; however, I ask that you give me a little time to sort my thoughts in order to give you the best possible answer.

[CCGR]

as Christian we have different convictions and things afefct us differently. For example I still play FSP game I turn the violence down so it's more like a glorified game of tag insetad of a blood bath sport. But will I let younger kids play it, definitely not. I draw the line at occult symbols in games. I don't like it when I see games with satanic symbols and upside dwon crosses, it's a slap in the face on my beliefs, well that's the way it is to me. I however know many Chirstians who still play the games without any problems, more power to them. The purpose of the site is to mention things whether we are convicted against them or not.

A perfect case in point would be the Return to Castle Wolfenstein review I wrote. I mentioned how it was odd that there were no swasticas in one mode and they were in another, I forget if it's single player or multiplayer that has them or not. I just found it interesting. Am I against swastikas, not personally, however my inlaws from Germany may not like them so I mention it. I hope this clears things up a bit.

[psyllo]

yess i fully understand what u mean but satanic symbols are very anti- christian, but eastern objects what harm do they do?

[efini]

Thanks tol. Take your time. I appreciate your response.

[CCGR]

this site has a reference to various symbols and their meanings, I'm not sure which ones were in Ninja Gaiden as I have not played it http://www.crossroad.to/Books/symbols1.html

[909]

Quote[/b] (efini @ Mar. 12 2004,12:55)]Yes, but I think I pose a valid question. I seek to offend no one, simply understand better. I was not bothered by the fact that he pointed out the eastern content. I'm just curious as to why it may be "bad" to view it in some chrisians viewpoint.

My point is that I think being closed, shutting out, choosing to ignore and not seeking to understand another religion or point of view is very un-christ like.

PS. Why do you have images of violence in you avatar if you claim to be christian?
lol I'm not Christian... I'm just defending their stance. You should pay more attention and not assume so much. Read my first post above. I clearly stated I wasn't Christian.

Many people "shut out" Christians yet I don't see you asking why they do so??

I think what it comes down to is that you're offended that their offended, and think they should just see things your way. Now isn't it ironic that YOU'RE the one being close minded and assuming things?

[CCGR]

regarding offended and close mindedness, we're not born Christian, it's adecision we've made. Before that we've done things we don't do now etc etc. Many Christians and parents find the site useful and it's not a matter of just what bothers us but information that quite a few people do consider nice to know about.

[efini]

909 - I'm not sure how or why you feel that I'm closed minded or assuming things because I missed the fact that you are not christian. Please explain.

If I were on a board dedicated to buhiddist gamers and they were saying that some content was questionable because it contained chrisian crosses, etc. then I'd pose to them the same question. Shutting out christianity for the same reasoning is just as bad in my mind I'd question those actions as well.


I do not understand how any group would seek to block out a specific set of imagery. I feel what the Natzi's did was a horrendous offense, however I still seek to understand and study their ideas, not block them out.

I'm not offended by content here (except perhaps the fact that you think I'm offended by something) I'm simply trying to better understand a mentality which I'm not totally familiar with.

Forgive me for seeking answers to simple questions. As I stated before I am not out to offend anyone.

Regarding the violence thing - I'm not at all put off by your avatar, in fact, Fight Club is without question one of my all time favorite flicks. I'm just confused by many people who are very religous (christian) and yet condone lots of violence.

[TrigunX89]

Looks like we're going around in circles...

Like CCGR said, as Christians, we are convicted and affected by different things.  Some may be affended by a Buddha statue in a game, while others may think nothing of it.  As many have said before me, the reviews point out content which may be objectionable so that people can be warned before buying the game and then being offended.  I think Tolkein did a great job on his review.  It was honest, and well-written.
We're not saying it's a sin to play a game because it has symbols from other religions, but it may bother some people, and it's nice for them to know before they go out and buy the game.

Quote[/b] ]Even worse if your lack of standard for all reviews. DOA3 is far worse IMHO yet it gets a much better rating.

I wrote the DOA3 review.  It is true that it has worse sexual content.  Maybe I gave it too high a score.  Again, that was just my opinion.  I think it's one of the best fighters I've played. It would've gotten a near perfect score in my book if it didn't have the revealing outfits and rear nudity.

[Dr. Tek]

IRT to the RTCW thing

there are only swatizcas (or however you spell it) in the single player, as would there have been in Naxi germany. The stock MP has none, altho some custom maps do. Personally, I dont care about them, they dont bug me, and RTCW and ET are the two main games I play, well online anyways, the sp is rather lacking...

[Tolkien]

Quote[/b] ]Could someone here explain to me why you all feel it's bad to view images and discussion regarding Pagan symbology and legend.

First of all, I will neither fear nor hesitate to enter into a discussion regarding my own personal beliefs or beliefs pertaining to other religions such as the eastern religions or pagan theology.

Quote[/b] ]My understanding of the beliefs of Jesus is that he would have embraced the value in understanding other beliefs.

You seem to have a misunderstanding of the nature of Jesus. Jesus taught that we should love one another, but he never taught that we should embrace anything that goes against the set biblical principals. There is one God, and we are to have no other Gods before him. Jesus is God made flesh, and he came to willingly to lay down his life as a perfect sacrifice so that we could receive forgiveness. Since He is God, there is no reason for Him to seek an understanding of other beliefs.

To learn more of the true nature of Jesus, I suggest taking the time to read through the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and/or John.

Quote[/b] ]These ideas are not "from satan" they are simply legends and stories from another culture in another time. Their lessons have as much value as the lessons taught from Jesus and other christians if you allow yourself to be open to them, learn from them and take them for what they are.

I appreciate your time in answering my querry.

Why would those ideas not be from Satan? There is only one God and Satan’s desire is to draw people away from Him. The idea of Satan creating other theological beliefs in order to draw people away from God is not illogical. In fact, Satan has been doing it all throughout history.

As a Christian, it is my desire to draw closer to God in order to have a relationship with Him. Building that relationship requires devoting time to communicating with Him through prayer, learning more about Him by studying the bible, and by working diligently to live according to His commands.

Since I have a relationship with Him, I have to be careful to not place myself in situations that will go against His commands.

Simply seeing or discussing pagan symbols and legends is not a bad thing, but acceptance of those symbols is against biblical teachings. Will playing a game containing pagan symbols and teachings draw me away from God? It might not, but it could. A better question would be, ‘Should I take a chance finding out if playing a game containing pagan symbols and teachings will draw me away from God?’ I would have to say no.

[efini]

Quote[/b] (Tolkien @ Mar. 15 2004,8:49)]
Quote[/b] ] You seem to have a misunderstanding of the nature of Jesus.  Jesus taught that we should love one another, but he never taught that we should embrace anything that goes against the set biblical principals.

I think what you've said here is very meaningful. It's my own interperatation that in order to love something or someone you must first know or understand it. As someone from a scientific background I have a hard time understanding why some level of knowledge about the earth or it's peoples could be a bad thing.

Quote[/b] ]Since He is God, there is no reason for Him to seek an understanding of other beliefs.


The theology in eastern religons and beliefs are as much a historical and social as they are religous. In being unwilling to better know and understand their religous beliefs you shut out the opportunity to learn about a very intersting and rich culture. This type of attitude historically is what has brought about much strife between neighbor and countries and many times lead to war and bloodshead.

I've learnt many things in studying other cultures and other religous beleifs. I value them greatly. I'd hate to think that any of the things I've learnt were in some way coming from Satan just because they were not directly from the bible. They've been very positive influences on me and helped me have a greater understanding and love for all people.

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Why would those ideas not be from Satan?

Why would these ideas BE from Satan?

I suppose the only way you could be able to tell for sure is to seek to understand it better. If you are a strong person regardless of the amount of temptation you face you will alway be able to stay true to what you believe. If you truly feel this way then there is no danger in further understanding these things. Be they from satan or not, I feel youre beliefs are strong enough that you'd not be temped by anything contained.

Quote[/b] ]The idea of Satan creating other theological beliefs in order to draw people away from God is not illogical.  In fact, Satan has been doing it all throughout history.


I've always had difficulties embracing the thought that anyone who did not follow Christianity was in some way under the influence of Satan. I've known too many people of other beliefs and know of too many other beliefs which are so positive that I can't imagine that they would be negative or evil. I shudder to think what my life would be if I shut out those beliefs or those people.

Quote[/b] ]‘Should I take a chance finding out if playing a game containing pagan symbols and teachings will draw me away from God?’  I would have to say no.

As before I cant really imagine how you would be drawn away from god if your beleifs in him are strong.

Thanks for taking your time here. You've helped me to better understand your perspective and it is very beneficial to me. I apperciate that.

[Tolkien]

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Quote[/b] ] As someone from a scientific background I have a hard time understanding why some level of knowledge about the earth or it's peoples could be a bad thing.

And exactly which statement did I make that indicates that it is wrong for Christians to better understand other beliefs? I never made any statement whatsoever that Christians should be uneducated regarding anything. Actually, I would encourage any Christian to have a greater understanding of another belief in order to be able to bear witness to that person for effectively. It can be a difficult task trying to go head to head with a Mormon or Jehova’s Witness without an understanding of their beliefs.

Quote[/b] ]The theology in eastern religons and beliefs are as much a historical and social as they are religous. In being unwilling to better know and understand their religous beliefs you shut out the opportunity to learn about a very intersting and rich culture. This type of attitude historically is what has brought about much strife between neighbor and countries and many times lead to war and bloodshead.

And again I direct you to my previous statement. However I think I have an idea of where you are confused. I said that Jesus would have had no need to gain a greater understanding of people’s beliefs. I will stand firm on this statement and will explain why I believe this to be true. In Jesus’ life on earth, He demonstrated himself to be God before many witnesses. One thing He demonstrated was that He knew a person’s heart. He knew of all the false gods, and understood people’s beliefs. He had no reason to seek a greater understanding of other beliefs because he is God. He also would have had no reason to embrace those beliefs because those beliefs go completely against His very nature.

Quote[/b] ]I've learnt many things in studying other cultures and other religous beleifs. I value them greatly. I'd hate to think that any of the things I've learnt were in some way coming from Satan just because they were not directly from the bible. They've been very positive influences on me and helped me have a greater understanding and love for all people.

Those beliefs may have some positive qualities to them, but I’ve found that the best place for a lie to be hidden is buried in the truth. There are some major Christian beliefs now that have distorted the truth and are continuing to draw people away from God.

Quote[/b] ]Why would these ideas BE from Satan?

I suppose the only way you could be able to tell for sure is to seek to understand it better. If you are a strong person regardless of the amount of temptation you face you will alway be able to stay true to what you believe. If you truly feel this way then there is no danger in further understanding these things. Be they from satan or not, I feel youre beliefs are strong enough that you'd not be temped by anything contained.

As stated previously, I never said that learning about other beliefs is wrong; however, there is a very big difference between understanding and embracing.

Quote[/b] ]I've always had difficulties embracing the thought that anyone who did not follow Christianity was in some way under the influence of Satan. I've known too many people of other beliefs and know of too many other beliefs which are so positive that I can't imagine that they would be negative or evil. I shudder to think what my life would be if I shut out those beliefs or those people.


For example?


Quote[/b] ]As before I cant really imagine how you would be drawn away from god if your beleifs in him are strong.

I’m pretty secure in my faith.

My being a Christians is not based upon emotional decisions. God gave us a brain, and we should use it. He provided tons of evidence for us to believe in Him, but there are many people who will either not look for the evidence or who will simply choose to reject it.

Also for the record, I have studied many other beliefs including Greek and Roman mythology, Catholicism, Islam, Buddhism, Wicca, Mormonism, and also Jehovah’s Witnesses beliefs. I actually took a critical thinking class in college several years ago in which we had to examine various culturals, religious beliefs, and political ideas. Since then I have also done quite a bit of research on my own. (but not even close to the amount of research my wife has done)

I won’t claim to know all there is to know about all of them, but I have gained some knowledge of them (some more than others). I have no fear of doing research on these beliefs, and I have no fear in discussing any of them with you.


Quote[/b] ]Thanks for taking your time here. You've helped me to better understand your perspective and it is very beneficial to me. I apperciate that.

No problem.
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