Manhunt

[drumguy763]

Anybody seen the reviews or played it?  I saw the TechTV review and read some reviews online (I don't want it.  I don't have a PS2, and I wouldn't want it even if I had one).  What are people's thoughts on this game?  I think it's just sick, but that's just my opinion  http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif .

[Dr. Tek]

Agreed on the sick part. It is underrated with an M rating, and everyone agrees with this, and it would be AO if esrb wasnt afraid of the fact that no major retail store will sell games with an AO rating. The people that give this game a good review are living in some twisted world of their own, because even a lot of non-Christians have a problem with this game too.

[TrigunX89]

Yup, this is one sick and twisted game. Well, I haven't actually played it, but I can tell from everything I've seen and heard about it. The only thing I find somewhat appealing is the stealthy online matches, but I will definately wait for Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow for that. Rockstar Games really makes me mad.

[kingaragorn]

I totally agree with you guys. Who would want a game where you go around killing people with your first weapon as a plastic bag!? And Rockstar games do make some really stupid games.
Vice City would be cool without the violence and swearing, but that's just my wish.

[TrigunX89]

Yup, I agree. Since we don't have a more innocent Vice City, you could give The Simpsons Hit & Run a try.

[daszo24]

Well the one good thing about Manhunt is that, as far as I have heard, it's not selling well. I think it has only sold something like 75,000 copies so far? That's nothing in comparison to the 7+ million copies of Vice City.

[Dr. Tek]

the reason that is, at least from the feel of this I get from some of my other gaming forums, is because it is not on pc, and most people nowadays want a game on pc over on ps2, as that system is starting to show its age. lets just hope that no port to the pc is made, or those sales will go up http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[Drelin]

So, should this game be banned from sale or what?

Quote[/b] ]Vice City would be cool without the violence and swearing

Yeah, and the drug references/use, the basic premise, the criminal activities and the car theft. Without those things the game would be pretty cool. Oh, wait...

I can understand and respect that many people know this is a game they should avoid. However, I do object to people who haven't played the game and seemingly know very little of it and are hence unable to pass judgment, doing just that; judging Manhunt and anyone who can apparently stomach the game.

[Dr. Tek]

True that a lot of people are quick to pass judgement on what they have not played orr researched, hence why I really have no opinion on vice city, and my opinion on manhunt is only taken from different reviews I've read and the fact that one country, New Zealand, has banned imports of it and made it illegal, which does not happen all to often, usually certain countries will recieve a censored version of the game, as the U.S. did with the game Giants: Citizen Kabuto. As far as games being made illegal, only the wolfenstein games being illegal in Germany come to mind, and there is really nothing wrong with those games at all, just over there they are still sensitive to their past, and with the swaztichas every in th game, I can kind of see where they come at it from, but whether New Zealand has a similar reason due to their culture/society or past, or if they banned it due to its sheer gruesomeness, which no one can argue its not, just read the reviews and see some screenshots, I do not know, but Iver read and seen enough to know that Id rather not play manhunt at all.

[Drelin]

New Zealands' banning of Manhunt was not culturally motivated, unless there's a Mauri Massacare bonus level or something; unlikely. http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Australia banned GTA3, briefly; hoping nobody would notice. My government quickly came to its senses, and lifted the ban, however.

Back on topic, do people think that playing a game like GTA or Manhunt is a sin, and if so, why?

[Dr. Tek]

After reading 1 Corinthians 8, it would depend on how each person felt about it, read it to see what I mean. For me, playing it, would I be sinning, no, because it is a game afterall, about things that, sadly, do happen. Some people will be bothered by the content and be troubled in their consicence by playing, and then that would be sinning, according to the passage i gave. However, I would still not play it, because I know that other people will have a problem with it from around where I from, and in no way do I want to give any encouragement to play the game to people that would otherwise have a problem with it, and its concept is rather lackluster, as very few action-shooter games can pull off a decent single or multiplayer nowadays, except a few developers specializing in such, namely id, valve, and the moh/cod teams.

[iamscott]

I haven't played it, but I'm of the opinion that games like this need to stop. People need to get their minds out of the gutter; is it not bad enough that Rockstar released a riot simulator, especially for people who lived during the LA riots (like me.)? If there is a market for violent and perverse games, then Rockstar has found it. Who knows? Perhaps the next GTA will give the player the ability to rape. No, I'm not endorsing it, but I would not put it beyond Rockstar to do this. They allow you to hire prostitutes. Why not allow rape, or plausibly more violent crimes and cursing than may seem possible. Again, I would not put it beyond the people who brought out Manhunt, the first legal smut film/game

[Hysterical]

Personally i think that Manhunt is a very good game,yes the violence is bad but its very tonque in cheek, im not saying that you have to play the game,but i really think that you shouldnt pass judgement on a game, or anything else for that matter until youve tried it. On another note, RAPE?!?! in GTA:Vice City i can assure you will not happen and anyone who believes rockstar would do this has oviously never played a GTA game, instead probably just heard rumours, Violence is one thing...but Sexual violence i think not.
As for banning things i think that is not the answer, im guessing most of you are Americans, think about this, you want to ban a game but are happy for your neighbour to have Firearms.
P.S i am from England and do not believe that Guns are bad and can tell you that a total ban on guns is a very bad idea...black markets etc,lol.

[iamscott]

Excuse me, Hysterical, but I have played GTA. There is sexual violence. What do you call killing prostitutes after they are finished with you? Yeah, that's pretty much sexual violence. And I have played GTA, thank you very much. Heck, they allow people to hit others over the head with dismembered body parts, as in State of Emergency. Why not anything else?

[Hysterical]

1.What you mentioned was violence after sex, Rape is where violence is used to get sex.
2.State of emergency and GTA are very tonque in cheek, violent yes, but not very serious, As your religious im guessing that you may be more objectionable to these things but as i said before Violence is one thing but rape is barley tolerate in films let alone in games where nobody would stand for it, think about it, using hookers in GTA to get health was funny and it was fairly funny when you could get the money back by killing her(sorta) but rape is not amusing in any sense and i think personally your a very naive person if you think a mainstream games producer, or any for that matter yould include such a thing in their games.

[TrigunX89]

I've played GTA too.

OK, so this is what it sounds like you are saying.  That it's OK to use violence after sex, but it's wrong to use it before sex?  Does it really matter?  The point is that it is sexual violence, and it's wrong.  Bottom line.

[Hysterical]

No the point im making is that sexual violence is violence used to get sex, violence after sex is not sexual violence,besides i think i made it clear enough and dont need to be undermined.

[iamscott]

Excuse me. I am not naive. You have no idea who I am personally, and I would not put it past these immoral people to include more sexual violence in their games. After all, they did include a strip club in GTA: Vice City, and they actually had full nudity in that part of the game on the original PS2 version, but it was changed for the Xbox. The real problem is that the USA has a horribly disgusting obsession with sexuality and immorality. Of course, you would probably say that the UK doesn't have that problem, as it doesn't have a problem with guns. But then, your arguement about guns was unfounded on anything that anyone said, and I personally believe that you, unlike other UKers like Mr. Eon, don't want to have any constructive or arguementative discussion on anything other than what you think is right. The thing is, you come to these forums and attack and contradict me, and then say you won't be undermined.

And sorry, but killing prostitutes after you've had sex with them is not funny, nor is having sex to regain health. It treats sex, which God gave to us as a sacred bond between man and wife, as a trivial amusement which the whole of society should use promisculously. That's wrong, man. Just plain wrong. Yet you think it's funny. Sorry, but how immature and naive is that? It's what someone I know calls ultra-virginity, even if you aren't a virgin. It entails treating sex trivially and without any understanding. These examples are not funny, and are very offensive. These games also objectify women, treating them as property, sex toys, or just hookers waitin' for a beatin'. Get real, and grow up.

[Dr. Tek]

Well said.

[TrigunX89]

Yep. Sad, but true. Very well said indeed.

[kingaragorn]

Way to go iamscott! Hey Hysterical it's not just Americans who think GTA is messed up.:;):

[guyee]

No one forces you to kill prostitutes in GTA 3, or to even make service of them. The game leaves that choice up to you.

What you're doing right now, blaming the developers for including this options, is something along the lines of blaming God for giving people the free will to kill their neighbours and the like.

True GTA 3 doesnt pass the most positive of messages, but you have to keep in mind it's a game, a release for the violent tendencies that human's have. I've played a fair share of violent games, with blood, and sorcery, and satanic imagery, and yet I am no more inclined to kill, practice black magic, or sell my soul to the devil than I was before I played these games.

We were given free will for a reason, your life is not supposed to be a crusade to stop the evil of the world, but to get people to turn away from it. Evil will always be there, Satan won't just go away if you stop paying attention to him.

[kingaragorn]

Yeah but what about the kids in Columbine, I was only a few miles away when it happened. Those kids had played Mortal Kombat and other violent games, and your saying it has no influence on people?
People say it's just a game all the time, and I'm tired of it. If you have the choice to do what's right then why do you play those games? The intentions are just the same.

[guyee]

keep in mind, the kids in columbine were also teased, and treated badly, by kids who probably never played video games. And mortal kombat is a fighting game, so if they were really influenced by it then i would assume that they would find someone that they could team up on and beat them up.

The only reason that the media mentioned that the kids played video games is because videogames are the scapegoat of this generation. Same as comicbooks and television were the scapegoats of the generations before us.

Violent videogames can't drive someone to kill unless theyre fairly unstable psychologically to begin with, these kids were teased, humiliated daily, and they had access to lethal firearms, the two had to click sometime, especially with the parents paying no attention to them.

And just because of what happened at columbine, does that mean that videogames should be banned? Does one violent shooting condone the destruction of an entire industry? Should we also ban trenchcoats because the columbine kids were wearing them? Of if they had used knives instead of guns, should we eliminate any kind of sharp utensil from society?

Of course games like this might lead to a columbine, but that's basically punishing an entire industry, simply because a few parents didn't take the time to talk to their kids.

[Hysterical]

What the heck do you mean The UK doesnt have gun problems, since the ban gun crime has gone up some 300%. And GTA:Vice City did NOT include full nudity in any version, and this shows that you have not played the game, I was also calling your comments on gaming naive, whether you are personally is another matter.
At the end of the day this is a games forum and i think that there shouldn't be any bias towards, So play the games and if you dont agree with them leave them be and let someone else enjoy them. I think ive had enough of these forums as the minority have made this board a venting for there religious problems as a whole, Just remember religion is a way of life and not everyone has to believe what you believe in.(IAMSCOTT - I AM12 more like)


:I believe God is a Sadist, And doesn't even know it:

[satjome]

uh oh, languge on the boards!

[CCGR]

you know you're losing an argument if you resort to name calling.

[TrigunX89]

Hey, Hysterical, why did you have to come to a Christian forum if you're just going to talk smack about God and Christianity?  It's fine to have and state your own opinions, but please don't flame, especially against God, ok?  We're all just stating our opinions.  Nobody is looking for a fight.

People are all affected in different ways.  (Is it "affect" or "effect?"  I always mix them up.)  I think it depends on your maturity as well as what you find appealing about the game.  I just don't find Manhunt or GTA at all appealing.  I think they're distasteful.  But that is just me.  I am not going to critisize anyone else who does like them.  We should listen to what God is telling us is right or wrong.

[kingaragorn]

Hey Hysterical, I'm not trying to gang up up on you or anything and I'm not trying to force my religion on you. I'm sorry if you took it that way. We were just telling each other what we think.

[satjome]

hey admin, close this topic[CODE]

[Caleb]

What is in Manhunt?

[iamscott]

Well, it's a game about this man named James Earl Cash, who's about to be put to death. He's injected, but then wakes up in this warehouse, with the voice of a man known as the Director (voiced by Brian Cox) in his ear. The Director wants to make a lethal snuff film; that is, a film that involves gruesome executions. You, as Cash, must do what the Director says to escape the town that you are in, which is filled with gangs and cops, but no other people. It is mostly a stealth centric game, and involves a variety of weapons, most of which are not conventional, ranging from a plastic bag, to a shard of glass, to a baseball bat, to shotguns. Every time a kill is successfully performed, the camera angle switches to a blurry view of the kill, a la the movie 8 MM. There are three levels of kills, and each level gets more horrible to watch. The first level is the least violent, but still disturbing. The third is the most violent it can possibly get, without getting an Adults Only rating by the ESRB. Manhunt was banned in New Zealand, and was the first game to be banned there.

[Dr. Tek]

There was rumor that it would be released with an AO rating, but once again ERSB was "persuaded", lol, IMO, by the developers, since a game with an AO rating would not be bought by most reatail stores, and by even fewere people. Very seldom, if ever, have games been released with that rating.

[iamscott]

And most of them have been released for the 3DO! http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[FIR3]

the game looks so dumb.

[Drelin]

Okay... I think it's fairly clear that many here are strongly against the game. But, so what? Most of you think that the game is on a deep level immoral, that the designers are immoral and presumably anyone to play the game is immoral.

Generally, when I'm offended by something, I tend to avoid it. You guys think the game sucks; so do you want it banned? Do you want strict classifications and 'consumer-beware' warnings? Or was the point of this thread to deliberately get yourselves worked up about something you're offended by and then attack and judge people who; you don't know, and won't respond.

[(cga)maklakaWCIII]

AO? Adult only? Of course there are. Isn't BmXXX? Alot of old FPS were rated Adult from my memory...

[Dr. Tek]

AO is a rating used only in the extreme of extremes anymore, since most retailer wont sell AO games, and some developers have enough sway over ESRB to keep games, like Manhunt, Postal 2, etc, from getting it. Sad.

[TrigunX89]

No, sadly, BMXXX is only rated M. How can a game not be rated AO, when the whole point is to unlock videos of strippers!? http://www.cgalliance.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif