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    For those who have read or are considering reading A Song of Ice and Fire

    George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series has gotten quite a bit of attention, first as a series of fantasy novels and later as the basis of the HBO television series A Game of Thrones.

    ASoIaF, like Robert Jordan's A Wheel of Time before it, starts off strong, but soon starts spreading its plot too thin across too many characters in too many locales. The death of a main character in the first book will likely surprise most readers, but character deaths in later books, for me, start to feel tired and stale. By the end of the fifth book in the series, A Dance with Dragons, I had decided not to read The Winds of Winter when it is published.

    It took reading a short story Martin wrote in 1979, The Way of the Cross and Dragon, to pinpoint why reading Martin's work was emotionally exhausting. In short, Martin's nihilistic views made it impossible for me, as a Christian, to enjoy his work.

    Contrast ASoIaF with The Lord of the Rings, and the way each author's worldview permeates the story is remarkable. ASoIaF seems to lay claim to "gritty realism," injecting gore and sex scenes to set itself apart from classic fantasy writing. LotR, on the other hand, remains true in tone to its source materials, all the while pointing back to Tolkien's faith.

    Side note: Many have pointed out that LotR is not an allegory. I have said it many times and it bears repeating: Allegory is not the only way to incorporate Christian truths in a story. In the interest of avoiding spoilers, I won't list specifics, but several characters and the overarching plot point to truths found in the Bible, even if Tolkien's methods were more subtle than C.S. Lewis' approach in writing The Chronicles of Narnia.

    Put another way: There is hope even when all seems lost in LotR. In ASoIaF, all simply seems lost. In LotR, right and wrong are clear. In ASoIaF, right and wrong are relative.

    I've jokingly referred to ASoIaF as The Old Man and the Sea of modern fantasy. And I've been known to summarize The Old Man and the Sea as 130 pages of Hemingway repeating, over and over again, "Life stinks." Both Hemingway's and Martin's stories suffer from the same nihilism.

    Martin's short story The Way of Cross and Dragon highlights his own disdain of religion in general and Catholicism and Christianity specifically in a way that may not be apparent until later books in the ASoIaF series. The short story paints the church as a large but ultimately hollow organization, drive by men instead of by God. Of course non-Christians would agree with such a view, but those who have accepted God's undeserved grace understand our faith is anything but blind.

    If Christians are considering reading A Game of Thrones to see what the hype is about, may I suggest reading The Way of Cross and Dragon first to get a feel for Martin's worldview? The short story occupies 21 pages in The Fourth Omni Book of Science Fiction, is also available online, and takes considerably less time to read than the first book of A Song of Ice and Fire.

    If you still decide to read A Game of Thrones, I'll give the same advice as I gave people regarding A Wheel of Time: Read the first 3 books in the series and stop. The story starts to drone on after that.

    And for those of you who read and enjoy ASoIaF, please understand my purpose is to inform Christians prior to investing time and money in reading a series spanning thousands of pages that is based on a worldview that is contrary, sometimes aggressively, to their faith.
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    Didn't we have a thread like this a while back when the HBO series first started??

    In any event, I am with you Tek. I read the first 5ish books and was increasingly disillusioned with each sequel. What finally killed it for me was the complete recasting of characters. I understand, and even want, writers to kill off "unkillable" characters (I'm a big proponent that one of the 3 main characters from Hunger Games should die) but it was too much for me when at book 5 there's only one or two characters left from the first book, for one reason or another. I enjoyed my time in Westeros, but like Tek said, I got too bogged down by the hopelessness and depression.

    But if I were talking with a Christian that was interested in the book my first and loudest warning would be: can you, physically and spiritually, handle graphic sex, violence, and swearing? Because A Game of Thrones almost revolves around those. If that would be a problem or disturbance for you, steer clear, or read chapter summaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tek7@Work View Post
    If you still decide to read A Game of Thrones, I'll give the same advice as I gave people regarding A Wheel of Time: Read the first 3 books in the series and stop. The story starts to drone on after that.
    As a man who has just been reading the wheel of time, I know what you mean. I was at a local book store with a gift card, and didn't realize how bad the reviews got, so I bought up to book 4 (still has good reviews though). I plan on reading to book 4, and then reading summaries for the rest of the series until the last three. I then plan on reading those again, only because I really like all Brandon Sanderson's books.

    Thanks for the info on ASoIaF. I had already decided not to bother with the series after reading quite a few online reviews where the readers literally felt dirty after reading some of the books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tek7@Work View Post
    The death of a main character in the first book will likely surprise most readers
    Not now. . .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    Not now. . .

    LOL! I was thinking the same thing...

    Regardless of possible spoilers, I really appreciate the summary/review, Tek! It is insightful. Thanks.

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    I never read past book 3 of TWoT but didn't they start adding gunpowder weapons to the universe or something like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stc95 View Post
    But if I were talking with a Christian that was interested in the book my first and loudest warning would be: can you, physically and spiritually, handle graphic sex, violence, and swearing? Because A Game of Thrones almost revolves around those. If that would be a problem or disturbance for you, steer clear, or read chapter summaries.
    I was very interested in the HBO series and watched the first episode and half of the second and realized the graphic nudity along with the profanity is not for a Christian. I should have after the first 20-30 minutes of the first episode realized this, but I was fast forwarding and figured it wouldn't happen often -- I was wrong. As far as the book goes, I would advise the same thing, don't even bother wasting your time with it, it's not for a Christian. To quote Leonard Ravenhill: "Others May, You Cannot".

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    I used to try and skip past the graphic parts of books, but what came to me was this, Jason, that's my name, Jason, you wouldn't pick up a playboy to read an article hoping to skip over the pictures and hoping to avoid them leaving imprints on your memory. So why are you trying to do so with books? We need to remember that everyone, movie makers, authors etc.. are being influenced by either spirits of the world or God. 1Cor.10:20-22 we as Christians have to decide which spirits we will allow in our lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post
    I used to try and skip past the graphic parts of books, but what came to me was this, Jason, that's my name, Jason, you wouldn't pick up a playboy to read an article hoping to skip over the pictures and hoping to avoid them leaving imprints on your memory. So why are you trying to do so with books? We need to remember that everyone, movie makers, authors etc.. are being influenced by either spirits of the world or God. 1Cor.10:20-22 we as Christians have to decide which spirits we will allow in our lives.
    Amen

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