Marksmen Fun D Mental?

[Sambosoul]

Originally Posted by john3610

Sam, you overcomplicate what you need to know!

1. Cast Misdirect on healer
2. Feign Death

no no no no

/cast Misdirect Shadowbill
/cast Feign Death

[wowAbdi]

no no no, it's more like this

/cast misdirect McFierce
/cast Feign Death
/whisper McFierce Oops

[Sambosoul]

Originally Posted by wowAbdi

no no no, it's more like this

/cast misdirect McFierce
/cast Feign Death
/whisper McFierce Oops

ROFL!

[Xaveor]

I'm going to add some more info to this for hunters who are well geared and have some questions about ArPen. I hope you don't mind Samboe.

So Samboe linked a basic spec. Eventually when you're geared enough you can drop Arcane Shot from your rotation and from your talent tree. And the spec would look something like this. Now there's a lot of confusion about when to gem Armor Penetration. I know at least it was confusing to me since half of the hunters that are geared are stacking it and it seems so appealing. I want to make understanding ArPen so easy a caveman could do it. Here's a quick little explanation of when to gem ArP.

There are several plateaus of ArPen (arranged based on Arpen from gear ALONE, before gems).

0~400 - Spec MM + Imp Arcane Shot - Stack Agility Gems

~400- mid700s - Spec MM w/o Imp Arcane Shot and drop it from your rotation- Continue to Stack Agility Gems (This is where I'm at)

~720 - Soft Cap for NES
~730 - Soft Cap for Runestone
~780 - Soft Cap for Grim Toll

800+ Spec MM w/o Imp Arcane Shot - Stack ArPen Gems to the moon assuming you have the gear to do so w/o losing too much AP and Crit%.

Only on this last phase should you even begin contemplate gemming Arpen into you gear at all. There is a HIGH gear requirement on making gemming Arpen worthwhile and no offense but if you're asking yourself this question you aren't even close. You should be sticking with Agility gems until you fit the criteria listed above.

If you've met the requirement of 800+ ArPen from gear alone and you stack ArPen gems to the sky you should be able to get close to 100% ArPen.

[Sambosoul]

Originally Posted by Xaveor

I'm going to add some more info to this for hunters who are well geared and have some questions about ArPen. I hope you don't mind Samboe.

So Samboe linked a basic spec. Eventually when you're geared enough you can drop Arcane Shot from your rotation and from your talent tree. And the spec would look something like this. Now there's a lot of confusion about when to gem Armor Penetration. I know at least it was confusing to me since half of the hunters that are geared are stacking it and it seems so appealing. I want to make understanding ArPen so easy a caveman could do it. Here's a quick little explanation of when to gem ArP.

There are several plateaus of ArPen (arranged based on Arpen from gear ALONE, before gems).

0~400 - Spec MM + Imp Arcane Shot - Stack Agility Gems

~400- mid700s - Spec MM w/o Imp Arcane Shot and drop it from your rotation- Continue to Stack Agility Gems (This is where I'm at)

~720 - Soft Cap for NES
~730 - Soft Cap for Runestone
~780 - Soft Cap for Grim Toll

800+ Spec MM w/o Imp Arcane Shot - Stack ArPen Gems to the moon assuming you have the gear to do so w/o losing too much AP and Crit%.

Only on this last phase should you even begin contemplate gemming Arpen into you gear at all. There is a HIGH gear requirement on making gemming Arpen worthwhile and no offense but if you're asking yourself this question you aren't even close. You should be sticking with Agility gems until you fit the criteria listed above.

If you've met the requirement of 800+ ArPen from gear alone and you stack ArPen gems to the sky you should be able to get close to 100% ArPen.

Thanks for posting this Xaveor. I actually recently switched out all my gems and aside from one Nightmare tear, I have all ArP Gems in my gear. I'm at just under 84% Armor pen. And during the 25man last night I was beating the rogues... barely... and they apparently didn't have BoM so... It would have been close. I also didn't have a flask on either... so... you decide.

[Xaveor]

Originally Posted by Sambosoul

Thanks for posting this Xaveor. I actually recently switched out all my gems and aside from one Nightmare tear, I have all ArP Gems in my gear. I'm at just under 84% Armor pen.

I've looked at some of the higher geared hunters on the server and they get up to 95% or more. That's nuts man.

Originally Posted by Sambosoul

I also didn't have a flask on either... so... you decide.

Prepared huh?

[Sambosoul]

Originally Posted by Xaveor

I've looked at some of the higher geared hunters on the server and they get up to 95% or more. That's nuts man.

Prepared huh?

Oh I had the flasks on me... I even bought them just before the raid. I usually just forget to use them... So when tots isn't in the raid to say, "Flask if you need to!" I don't...