Mana Tombs, some thoughts..

Woven

Woven

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After MTing RP,BF,SP and UB successfully, I thought I'd give Mana Tombs a try..Hooked up with a pug: 66 mage, 66 druid (OTing/healing) 65 healing spec pally and a 65 rogue.


First boss: Wiped on our first attempt tanking him in a bad spot. Second attempt I tanked him at the right wall, just as you enter the room with my back to the wall and the other party members to the left side against the opposite wall so he couldn't knock ppl around. Stop dps when he throws up his reflective shield or you will own yourselves..It last about 5 seconds. (His shield graphic is a green half circle)

Second boss: Easy. He has a stun..that's about it..(tank and spank)

Final Boss: A bit harder..He has a few ..adds hovering around him. MT on boss, everyone else killed adds and then back to boss. He likes to ice-block and run, he also likes to port..(improved Intercept in the fury line comes in handy here..) MT Just rush back to him..I also noticed if timed right, spell-reflect works...We had about dead.. and I threw mine up and his cast reflected back and killed him..(It looks cool to seeing a caster get owned by their own spell..)

Escort quest : you pick up quest outside the instance. (He gets jumped..blah blah blah) I think the quest is bugged. First part, click portal..controls.. Second part, talk to npc you are escorting.., but for some reason 2 of us did not get credit in the end... Perhaps we noobed it up. If you do that quest, a warrior, lock or priest fears work nice.. along with the traditional cc..Also along his path, there will be a few adds already spawned, kill them fast before the script triggers more adds. (We did this quest after..we killed the final boss)

This isn't intended to be a thorough run down, just a few thoughts..on how we took down the bosses, I'm sure there are other ways. Over all I'd say the first boss, the regular adds and the escort quest are the more difficult aspects of the instance.

If you are putting together a tanking set, the fel iron set with stam kits is working nicely for these 5 mans so far. I have close to 10,000 Armor and over 8,000 hp with MOW and Devo. (Although I have a few nice stam blues on my neck and back from SP/UB) I'm looking for some stam enchants and better kits..if anyone can do them, let me know.

Good luck,

Danny

Ps: One other thing..Three of us warmed up on the demon Vexis.."Soulcaller"? I think his name is?..(On the rim outside the tombs) since one of us had the quest. We killed him, but it was bugged our first 2 attemps....(Every time I rushed in to tank, i kept getting, "Not in front of target" "Target to far away". It showed me right on him, but I could not touch him. However,..when I walked in and started the fight, no problems...
 
Got my first taste of it tonight with Deedlyt, Azolas, Wend, Xandar and myself. Lots of fun and fast. We had no issues (thanks to two 70s), looking forward to going back in.
 
Woven said:
If you are putting together a tanking set, the fel iron set with stam kits is working nicely for these 5 mans so far. I have close to 10,000 Armor and over 8,000 hp with MOW and Devo. (Although I have a few nice stam blues on my neck and back from SP/UB) I'm looking for some stam enchants and better kits..if anyone can do them, let me know.
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Only 10k?

:)
 
Yes, to increase that I have a few choices:

A) Borrow some of Holly's 16k of armor..:)
B) Roll a druid
C) Improve my gear as I lvl

I think I'll go with C since I like my class/spec, A is not doable and B holds no interest with me. (I'm liking spell-reflect a lot and improved intercept is one of the funnest, most useful talents of all the toons I've played so far)
 
Woven said:
improved intercept is one of the funnest, most useful talents of all the toons I've played so far)
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Oh, you mean the one that works almost like feral charge?

(yes, I'm taunting you... I've gotta get my aggro fix SOMEWHERE, and until I hit level 68, I think it'll have to be here)
 
Neirai the Forgiven said:
Oh, you mean the one that works almost like feral charge?
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Well..I miiight survive if my intercept is not as good as yours..I have not spent time looking into it. Although Renee may have to console me some..(Which I guess I could tolerate..)

(yes, I'm taunting you... I've gotta get my aggro fix SOMEWHERE, and until I hit level 68, I think it'll have to be here)
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Well, if you have enough dmg mitigation and time to waste..and don't mind debating with insecure warriors and druids..Try any of the "My warrior is better then your bear tank" or vice versa threads at www.worldofwarcraft.com :cool:

Both classes have trade-offs and skill + gear..= compensation to a degree for those trade-offs. It also depends on group makeup, recourses..You want to maximize them so the group has the best chance of taking down the ???

I've tried a little bear tanking and melee with Renee's druid...I didn't like it..for superficial reasons mainly..

Danny
 
Woven said:
Well, if you have enough dmg mitigation and time to waste..and don't mind debating with insecure warriors and druids..Try any of the "My warrior is better then your bear tank" or vice versa threads at www.worldofwarcraft.com :cool:
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Pssh. That was what I did when I was a level 60 druids with 14k armor. Now that I'm a level 65 druid with 18k armor I spend my time debating logic with Chaosrookie.

"If God created everything, that means God created Hitler. If God knows everything, that means God knew who Hitler would become. Therefore if God created Hitler, that means God condoned the holocaust."

Me: "You're missing a step. Just because I know something to be true, doesn't mean that I condone it. I know that there are starving children in Africa... does that mean that I'm a genocidal maniac?"

Ahhh... good times....
 
He is missing many steps. His presupposition is wrong.

"God created everything" When it says "all things" were created by him, (Christ) all doesn't mean all without exception.

God did not create the tower of Babel and then get upset about it.
God did not create the rebellion in Israelis heart, then weep (Jesus over Israel) and get frustrated over it. (Weary of Repenting over them) He created mankind with abilities of their own and responsibilities to love or hate, obey or disobey. And he hold's men responsible in various ways. 1) There is an in-built deterrence of moral intuitiveness, instilled by him that when violated causes not just pain for others, but self inflicted pain. 2) His criminal justice system which backs up deterrent #1, but that mankind has, for the most part, abandoned to it's own demise. God wants freedom within the confines of good laws..Unbelievers who complain about all the suffering are usually, to various degrees, responsible for the world view that breeds it.: Rebellion against God's ways, moral relativism. When God created out of love, of a necessity great evil would become a possibility..If you can't reject someone, accepting them is a bit meaningless..Anyone here want their wife to love them, because they have no choice to do otherwise? That's not love and God didn't lock adam and eve up in a house with no doors..

The Creator cannot reduce suffering by insulating His moral creatures from harming one another, as with an eternal bubble law. You can’t out-think God. Before Creation, God realized that to make us incapable of harming one another would not alleviate but increase the hurt. For it is our very concern for others (which is called love), that is one of the greatest motivators to not harm ourselves. Thus Jesus quoted the Mosaic Law (Lev. 1918), saying, “you shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Mark 12:31). When a man’s heart has grown so cold that he will indiscriminately hurt others, he no longer loves himself either, and he can apply for a job with Al Qaeda. Imagine the horror that a typical American husband would become if nothing he did could hurt his wife or child! That is the epitome of well-meaning but misguided judgment, illustrated today by the counter-productive “deterrence” of left-wing governments trying to make it so that a man can not, rather than will not, commit crime. The epidemics of selfishness, unfaithfulness, and slothfulness would explode to a magnitude otherwise known only in hell, if our own sin could not hurt others. And then that child, whom some think a bubble-law can protect, will grow up worse than his father, raised by a monster and unrestrained from childhood by any fear of hurting others.

The desire for human love that God gave us comes with the requisite risk of hating and of being hated. The capacity for fellowship necessitates the risk of hurting and being hurt. And God can rightly grant mercy to wrongdoers, patiently giving men around the world time to repent, without violating His righteousness.


Danny
 
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Basically -- God cannot love something if the dice are loaded.

Let me explain.

If you go down to your local Toys 'R' Us, you can prolly find yourself a dolly that you hug and it says "I love you, Daddy (Mommy)."

Not too hard. Not too weird, either. But let's say you start running around town telling all your friends and neighbors, "Hey guys, guess what? I finally found someone who can love me unconditionally. It's great. Its this doll! See? I just hug it and it says 'I love you, Daddy!'"

Alright... at this point your friends are looking at you like you need a padded room. Fact is, the doll doesn't love you. Can't, even. And why not? Simply because the doll CAN'T not love you.

See, when God created humanity, he specifically created a race that would 1) love him, and 2) glorify him. But if he just created a whole bunch of robots... well, mankind did that with computer games and cars and talking dolls, but although we might love our WoW time and our Chevies and maybe even our talking dolls, they don't love us back and they sure don't glorify us. So God HAD to create humanity with the choice to love him or not, to glorify him or to spit in his face. It wouldn't be love or glory if we could ONLY love or glorify.

So, in short, God created humanity with the full knowledge that each and every one of us could end up being Hitler. And he did it because He loved us. And most definitely, he did it so that we could love him.

AND, because he knew that every one of us could end up being Hitler he provided us his Son, a plan that the Bible says he had BEFORE he created the world, so that he could redeem even the worst of us.

Amen!
 
Getting back to the Druid vs Warrior debate for a minute. The one thing I do when running with a Druid or Warrior is for a Warrior I can DPS hard from almost the start to finish. With a Druid I have to build up to hard DPS just to ensure I do not pull aggro. Either class is good for these 5 mans imho.
 
Tinie got her bright and shiny PINK sword last night. She is now the best warrior in the world!!!! (of warcraft) Her goal of ruling Terenas with the power of pink is ever so much closer!!! Muhahahahahahaha *cough* *hack* *choke*

I mean, er. I got a very nice pink sword last night, and I am sure it makes me as good as bare durids now!
 
Angus_Og said:
Getting back to the Druid vs Warrior debate for a minute. The one thing I do when running with a Druid or Warrior is for a Warrior I can DPS hard from almost the start to finish. With a Druid I have to build up to hard DPS just to ensure I do not pull aggro. Either class is good for these 5 mans imho.
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If you are refering to running with me (which is probable :) ,) please bear in mind that for the last 8 levels I've had a talent build that has severely gimped my start-of-fight rage generation.

That being said in 1/2 of a bubble it will be back to normal and then I'll stop protesting when people say things like this and instead I'll just nod my head and factor it into my gameplan.
 
All you need is a bit of misdirection love. Let me tell you, it is as wonderful as they say. I tested it again (been doing it lots) with one of our pallies on a nasty 3 man quest in BE. I was able to do 3K+ of damage which he "got blamed" and aggro for, I was then able to completely unload my dps for the rest of the fight and not pull aggro once. I did 500+ dps on that particular battle without pulling him off. I can only imagine two or more hunters rotating misdirection in a 10 or 25 man, insane!
 
Agreed, misdirection is amazing when used properly. When used improperly (such as accidentally targeting the wrong person) it can be just as brutal, but in a sad way. This has only happened once, so healers, you can still group with me, I promise *grin*


Oh ya, one of my favorites is misdirection on the tank, then multishot a group. It uses up the entire misdirection, but safely initiates aggro on 3 mobs at once, keeping the healer safer sooner.
 
One of the largest distinctions that I've come to see in TBC with Teddy vs. Warrior vs. Pally is on Spellcaster vs. Meleer and Undead/Elemental vs. other things.

Let me explain:

Warriors have "Shield Bash." Other tanking classes do not. Therefore, when the boss you are fighting has nasty spell abilities, Warriors are the only tanks that can break those abilities without having a friendly mage or rogue (or shaman I spose :D) in his or her back pocket. Yes, bears can feral charge to interrupt, but this is fairly hard if the target of your charge is standing directly in front of you at all times. This makes Warriors the clear superior in tanking if the boss has "Must Interrupt" abilities.

On the flip side, Bears have Lacerate, which deals high threat as a DoT. This makes bears actually much better at holding aggro-shedding mobs, because even though they lose aggro, they start incuring threat on the very next tick. Yays!

Of course, there is one major weakness to lacerate, and that is that it is a bleed effect. In essence, that means that it is worthless against the Undead or most kinds of elementals. This is pooey. Basically, against Undead or Elemental bosses, Teddies have a reduced level of threat generation, which is not good.

I know it's been stated before, but tanking Undead is one area that the Tankadin really shines. Exorcism and Holy Wrath are crazy additions to the Pally tank's retinue of threat generating abilities.
 
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