Wednesday, August 18, 2010: John 8:58

Durruck

Pirate!
Extra-biblical sources don't dispute that Jesus of Nazareth lived. Other religions, such as Islam and Judaism admit that Jesus lived, and was a man of God. Islam even specifically goes as far as to admit that Jesus was a prophet.

Christianity is the lone exception - we believe that Jesus not only lived, he was not just a prophet, but he was THE Son of the Father; a third of the Trinity. One of the boldest statements in Jesus' ministry was to the Jews, recorded by John 8

John 8:58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

With Jesus' statement recorded by John, Jesus is clearly stating that He is, and has always been God. There are two parts to this. Firstly, he states that 'before Abraham...I am" Abraham lived thousands of years before Jesus. Even the Jews to which Jesus was speaking heard the "absurdity" of His claim. How can a man not yet fifty years old have come before Abraham? (John 8:57)


Secondly, this verse is perhaps the clearest that Jesus states that he is God. This is a direct reference to God's revelation to Moses:

Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, "I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.' "

Jesus has laid it all out. Anyone who studied Mosaic Law at all would catch the reference that Jesus dropped.

This brings us to the point of the verse. There are only three honest things that you can think about Jesus at this point:

1) He's a lunatic
2) He's a liar
3) He is the Son of God.

Notice that I did not give you the option of calling him a prophet. There is no other "prophet" that claims to be God. There is no other "prophet" who claims to transverse space and time. There is no other "prophet" that claims to be omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. There is no other "prophet" that spoke with the authority of the Law, rather than one under the Law (John 7:46). There was no other "prophet" that both resurrected the dead and was resurrected.

He was no prophet. He is either a lunatic, a liar, or God. I've met a lot of lunatics, and but not that could heal with a word, walk on water, or turn water into wine. There are too many witnesses to call it a trick, so a liar is out.

That leaves us with The Son of God as our only viable option.
 
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bump (just to push it to the top of the forum so it doesn't get missed on the right day.)
 
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I love the Liar, Lunatic, Lord hypothesis that I believe was in C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity, if I am not mistaken. :)
 
I don't know if it was in Mere Christianity - but it was C.S. Lewis.
 
The exact quote is from Mere Christianity and is:

"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to." — C.S. Lewis (Mere Christianity)

I always think of it as "lunatic or Lord." Interesting, to me at least, is that the exact quote is lunatic or "Devil from Hell." The Lord part comes a bit later.
 
I think I hit the "Devil from Hell" with the "liar" segment. I honestly didn't know it was Lewis - it was something I picked up from various sermons at church. I'm not surprised that I ended up using some Lewis.
 
I guess there is a lot of Lewis in any of us who have read Christian books.
 
The exact quote is from Mere Christianity and is:



I always think of it as "lunatic or Lord." Interesting, to me at least, is that the exact quote is lunatic or "Devil from Hell." The Lord part comes a bit later.

Awesome quote!
 
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