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I've often thanked my earthly father for loving me enough to discipline me when I needed it. I'll always remember those terrifying words 'go pick a switch'... God also loves his children enough to discipline them. I've been 'corrected' many times by God. I'll never forget the 'whoopin' God...

I truely believe this and thought it would be an interesting thread:) Take it from here and lets see where it goes:D

I like that quote:)

Well I am too lazy to read this whole thread it doesn't interest me all that much, but I'll put my 2 cents in anyway. I apologize if someone has already said what I have to say. The passage in the Bible that comes to mind for me when I think of this subject is 1 Corinthians 8:1-13. Look it...

hhmm...Matthew Henry's commentary on Romans chapters 8 and 9 sound like a support of predestination to me :) Sorry I couldn't resist that :D

I agree that 'whosoever will may come'. My question remains, can anyone come to God without His help? God kick starts the 'will to come'.

I do believe that God calls His elect and that the call is irresistable. I do not however believe that God micro manages every aspect of our lives. He does guide us and help us along, but we do have responsibilities of our own. One of those is the study of scripture. God wants us, no He...

Your definitely missing something DV (maybe just missing it for the sake of argument). If you are one of the elect there is absolutely no question of your salvation. Only one of God's elect will turn to Him. There are many that on the surface appear to be Christians but are not. They have...

http://www.spurgeon.org/calvinis.htm There you go. It is titled, A Defense of Calvinism An awesome sermon by C. H. Spurgeon. I am glad you wanted to see it. It's been a while since I read it and I took the time to read it again :)

This proves one of my points Marcylene. Rather than try to understand that we Christians are not perfect and that we make mistakes just like everyone else. The nonbelievers would rather try to find fault with God and God's word. DV the Bible is not contradictory at all. It is we...

Your right DV. It goes to show that we are human just like you:) The only real difference is that we are forgiven. However, it is not the Word of God that has the problem. It is our human nature and fallen state that causes the problem.

Marcylene this is an area that many Christians disagree on. I can list many famous church leaders past and present who hold my beliefs on this issue. John Calvin, Martin Luther, Charles Spurgeon, St. Augustine, and C.S. Lewis just to name a few. You can give me a list of church leaders that...

Put simply predestination is the belief that man is so depraved that he cannot come to God on his own. God must 'call' a person before they have the faith to turn to Him. God chose who he will call...and who he will not...before creation. It is a tough doctrine and one that many Christians...

It is anecdotal evidence if I tell it to YOU. For ME personally it is not anecdotal evidence. I lived it first hand. Therefore, I have proof and you do not. My hope is that someday God will show evidence to you.

Let's take it one step further: John 6:65 Romans 8:29,30 All of Romans chapter 9 Ephesians 1:4,5 2 Thessalonians 2:13 And many more... It is a tough concept for most to accept. Am I the only one here that believes in predestination?

I don't have a preferred method. But that does not change the fact that carbon dating does not work. If something does not work you shouldn't use it just because there is nothing else that works either...

evidence 1. ground for belief; that which tends to prove or disprove something; proof. According to webster I do have evidence. It is proof that I have experienced. As I stated in the other post though, it is not proof that I can use to convince you . I experience it, you do not. The...

Gotta agree with Gen...it's not good for dating anything.

Be careful how you use this verse. It is one of the verses that is misused and taken out of context often.

Ephesians 5:18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead , be filled with the spirit. Romans 13:13 Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, nit in dissension and jealousy. There are...