A better question

[Big J]

X = 10
C = Commandments

OK, ignoring that there are a few different versions of the 10 Commandments...Protestant, Catholic, and Jewish (not sure if Islam has a set too...that wouldn't surprise me, LOL)...

AND ignoring that Ex. 20 and 34 and Deut 5 vary slightly...a shortened vewrsion of the popular protestant version of the 10 commandments.

Quote[/b] ]1. No other god before me.

Do you really want to forbid people from being able to worship a non-Judeo-Christian-Islamic deity?

Quote[/b] ]2. No graven images.

Do you realize how many graven images we have? I mean, all the statues of Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, Jesus (not just crusifixes), and all the other great people are just that. Heck, taken to the Orthodox Jewish level, paintings, money all have images. Shall we destroy them all?

Quote[/b] ]3. Don't take God's name in vain.

What does that mean? don't say [gosh darn it]? Don't swear by god? don't call on god for meaningless stuff? What if I swear by Thor? is that the same? Or is it Just the Jehovah fellow?

Quote[/b] ]4. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.

Which is Saturday. Not Sunday. Again, do you want to force people to keep a day holy? Are you going to force people to close their business on Sunday if they are Jewish?

Quote[/b] ]5. Honor thy father and mother.

Christians always wiggle around on that one. Daddy says that his daughter should put out. Should she honor that request? Anyway, irrelevant of that example, what is honoring them? Obeying them? Obeying them as long as it's a reasonable request?

Quote[/b] ]6. Thou shalt not kill.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not lie.

That's profound. no one ever thought those ones up before...

Quote[/b] ]10. Thou shalt not covet.

Covet:
1 : to wish for enviously
2 : to desire (what belongs to another) inordinately or culpably

So basically, don't be jealous of other people.

So, my question is...not whether they are great or even profound...but whether you all feel that they should be posted in classrooms.

I am genuinely curious as to whether you agree with it and why.

 

[LionOfJudah]

Islam does not have the 10 comandments, they have the 5 pillars.


1) no other gods before Me.
God is sovereign, He is also a jealous God. ( most people are not parents but, Like a child who adores a friends parent, but doesnt even regard his/her own father with any respect or acknowledgement.)

2.) you shall not make for your self an idol (graven image to you).
First of all DO NOT TAKE IT OUT OF CONTEXT. there is a HUDGE difference between a statue and a idol. Idols can be anything that you setup before God, you may not worship it, but it is top priority in your life. Like a job, money, friends, partying, and general intertainment. does this mean we can not have fun, or be rich? NO, by no means does it mean we have to be poor and bored all our life. What it is saying is to keep everything in its place.

3) do not take the Lords name in vain.
the jews were so afraid of this, that they never used the name that was given to them, they would always call Him Lord, or God, not Yahweh. names during this time period were thought to give you power, or control over smeone. ALSO how would you like it if, everyone walked around just abusing your name (because you are rich, or president ect).

4) Remember the Sabbath day, by keeping it holy.
First of all a sabbath is just a day of rest. Does this mean that one day a week we should do absolutely nothing? NO, Jesus healed on the sabbath. What needs to happen is that you just take a day of rest, so that you can refresh your mind, and body. it could just mean for you to sleep in on a saturday, or a monday if you do not have work, and keep the day light maybe just spend some time in a park, or outside reading. it doesnt mean you can not DO anything, but just try to keep it simple and enjoy the day of rest. Do not sit infront of the TV all day and do nothing, you do that almost everyday anyway.

5) Honor your mother and your father.
This is a tuff one. not to explain but to do. Honor your mother and father means to (gasp) respect them. you may not like what they say 99% of the time, but you still need to heed their warnings, and advice. they are older and have more experince. the whole daddy said to put out thing. 1) would never happen if he is a Christian. 2) if he wasnt then she would not have to listen to his ungodly council.

6)You shall not murder.
Yes does not seem very profound when you just read it, but God abhors all murderious thoughts, and actions. If you have it in your heart to kill a man, you might as well because its the same in Gods eyes. God is the giver of life, and he is the only one who has any right to take it away. ( dont go off on a tangent of capital punishment that is different and delt with later on)

7)You shall not commit adultery.
Duh? you say. Well this is said for our benefit, think about it, alot of people had many wives and even slept with their neighbors wife. does this sound absurd to you? it shouldnt you pay to see it in the movies, or you watch it on TV. Also all it does is hurt everyone involve in it. It is also a sin against God, Gen 39:9

8)You shall not steal
All it will do to you is hurt you, you do not get anything out of it, well you get what you steal, but that comes back to bite you in the butt.

9) You shall not give false testimony.
Hmmm you shall not lie, wonder why this would be, gasp could it be that people might of once apon a time been people of intergity and their word was worth more than the air it breathed? Fales testimony is one of those things that will hurt your reputation once you are deemed a liar , thats what you are and its alot harder to get people to trust you

10) you shall not covet.
Be happy with what you have, some will have it better, some will have it worse. it is not God playing favorites, if you can handle the little He gives you then, you may be blessed more, money seems to be a way of measuring your spiritual life, if you are rich and well off the God loves you, if not he is testing you. nope thats wrong, be happy with what you have
Personal Note
i am a poor college student, every dime i make goes to paying for school. there are some students here that have everything they want and can do anything they like because they have the money, does that mean i should want to be like them. maybe it would be nice, but i am truely happy right now with how i am, because it helps me to get disciplined and to study, instead of going to the movies, bowling, the mall ( yeah small town college not much to do

)

 

[LionOfJudah]

nothing?

 

[Medjai]

Lion, why do you antagonize with "nothing?" as though begging a response? No need to rush people.

Further, in your post you stated that it is perfectly dandy to be rich. Are you quite certain of this? I won't bust out my Bible if it isn't necessary to do so.

 

[CCGR]

it's okay to be rich and long as you give back to God (tithe) and not let the money interfere with your relationship with God. You cannot serve two masters.

 

[Medjai]

Paul says differently...

 

[LionOfJudah]

as in the statwe i live show me

 

[Big J]

Quote[/b] (LionOfJudah @ Sep. 28 2003,8:15)]

Quote[/b] ]1) no other gods before Me.
God is sovereign, He is also a jealous God. ( most people are not parents but, Like a child who adores a friends parent, but doesnt even regard his/her own father with any respect or acknowledgement.)

Right...but is there any reason that this should be up on a classroom wall?

Quote[/b] ]2.) you shall not make for your self an idol (graven image to you).
First of all DO NOT TAKE IT OUT OF CONTEXT. there is a HUDGE difference between a statue and a idol. Idols can be anything that you setup before God, you may not worship it, but it is top priority in your life. Like a job, money, friends, partying, and general intertainment. does this mean we can not have fun, or be rich? NO, by no means does it mean we have to be poor and bored all our life. What it is saying is to keep everything in its place.

Really? I must have missed where god delimited that. Am I right in thinking that you are not a fundamentalist? Or do you pick and choose which parts are literal?

It says "graven images." I've partied hard...but never to the point of having a statue pop up. Please tell me how you arrived at that.

Quote[/b] ]3) do not take the Lords name in vain.
the jews were so afraid of this, that they never used the name that was given to them, they would always call Him Lord, or God, not Yahweh. names during this time period were thought to give you power, or control over smeone. ALSO how would you like it if, everyone walked around just abusing your name (because you are rich, or president ect).

Wow. I am impressed. Most people don't know about the whole "names have power" thing. By invoking god, you had real power...and god wouldn't appreciate every Joshua, Moisha, and Abe using his power to settle every dispute over a business deal.

Thus the whole not using his name in vain. So do you believe that you can call down the judgement of Jehovah on me by invoking his name?

Quote[/b] ]4) Remember the Sabbath day, by keeping it holy.
First of all a sabbath is just a day of rest. Does this mean that one day a week we should do absolutely nothing? NO, Jesus healed on the sabbath. What needs to happen is that you just take a day of rest, so that you can refresh your mind, and body. it could just mean for you to sleep in on a saturday, or a monday if you do not have work, and keep the day light maybe just spend some time in a park, or outside reading. it doesnt mean you can not DO anything, but just try to keep it simple and enjoy the day of rest. Do not sit infront of the TV all day and do nothing, you do that almost everyday anyway.

Interesting take. We have had an interesting history with Blue Laws and forcing people to go to church. Just saying.

(And just for the record, I don't watch much TV.)

Quote[/b] ]5) Honor your mother and your father.
This is a tuff one. not to explain but to do. Honor your mother and father means to (gasp) respect them. you may not like what they say 99% of the time, but you still need to heed their warnings, and advice. they are older and have more experince. the whole daddy said to put out thing. 1) would never happen if he is a Christian. 2) if he wasnt then she would not have to listen to his ungodly council.

Of course.

Quote[/b] ]6)You shall not murder.
Yes does not seem very profound when you just read it, but God abhors all murderious thoughts, and actions. If you have it in your heart to kill a man, you might as well because its the same in Gods eyes. God is the giver of life, and he is the only one who has any right to take it away. ( dont go off on a tangent of capital punishment that is different and delt with later on)

Even though you cannot back up the whole "heart thing" in the OT, I'll do it. So if I feel like killing someone, I might as well go ahead and do it.

I'm sorry. I cannot agree that this is anything. Now we are being punished for our thoughts...I think Demi Moore's hot, so I've just committed adultry. Yeah...that works great.

My only point was that EVERY society prohibits murder. And stealing. And adulterous women (of those that care about parentage).

Same with lying. My word is my bond. Of course, to Medjai, he might believe me, but I doubt if many people would trust me, yet if I *claimed* to be a christrian...

Quote[/b] ]10) you shall not covet.
Be happy with what you have, some will have it better, some will have it worse. it is not God playing favorites, if you can handle the little He gives you then, you may be blessed more, money seems to be a way of measuring your spiritual life, if you are rich and well off the God loves you, if not he is testing you. nope thats wrong, be happy with what you have

Right.

Personal note.
I'm a poor college student too.

I apologize for not answering sooner. There are times when I have more time, and times when I have less. I was out fornicating yesterday.

 

[mrpopdrinker]

Quote[/b] ]I was out fornicating yesterday

Would you mind taking that down before I ask the admin, thank you. As for this thing about the Bible and money, it is the love of money that is evil not money itself. If money was evil then God wouldent give you the power to get wealth. As for the XC well Ill have to do some more research on that I dont like to answer when I dont know everything about the subject.

 

[Medjai]

"If money was evil then God wouldent give you the power to get wealth." - Mr. Pop

I am willing to bet that 99% of the people on this board disagree with you on this point (that God wouldn't give one the power to do something if it is evil). I think you were just typing quickly so you probably weren't thinking about what you said.

Your statement essentially insinuates that God would not permit someone to do evil, yet common observation shows otherwise.

 

[mrpopdrinker]

No I am just saying that money is not evil because God gives you the power to get it. What you do with the money can or cannot be evil, but money in itself is not evil. Not to say "bad" people dont get money.

 

[LionOfJudah]

still waiting for paul


and just thinking a girl is hot is not what Jesus said, it is dwelling on that thought and letting it brood in your mind, and heart.

also you can not just take excerts out of the Bible and just take it straight at that most of the time, because the Bible like Math(gasp) builds on it self

 

[Medjai]

Before I go into Paul, I will delve into Jesus.

"Go thy way, sell whatever thou hast, and give to the poor." (This can be found here: Mark 10:21, KJV). Jesus follows by saying, "It is harder for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven."

This is an uncharacteristic thing for Christ to say. Typically he educated through fables and parables. That he felt the need to make such a clear-cut statement says a lot about how important the issue is.

Albeit, if you want to make it into heaven, you can't be rich, you should give away your possessions to the poor.

Woah, I am going to help you guys out here, I was searching for the Paul quotes and I stumbled onto this site, I am pretty sure this is not what Jesus taught so I will give you all the URL so that you can e-mail this guy.

Quote[/b] ] Study His teachings and you must conclude that He is not saying, "It is a sin to be rich." On the contrary, He strongly implies that it is a sin to be poor. He indicates that if you arew experiencing  lack, you are not accepting yourself in the fullness of your own unique relationship with the Infinite.

http://www.geocities.com/felix032000/E-FashionPlus.html

Read the article. I stopped reading it once I got to the point where I quoted because I figured that this site was not going to have what I was looking for.

Now to Paul...

After closer inspection, Paul merely says that the love of money is evil, so I withdraw this claim. I am willing to admit when I am wrong. Yet I still hold that Jesus essentially said that the rich could not get into heaven.

 

[CCGR]

I've said this before and I'll say it again, there is nothing wrong with being well off. God blesses people in different ways. The thing is that we can't let money and worldly possesions get in front of God priority wise.

That quote is the ending of the sad story of the young man wanting to follow Christ but didn't want to give up his possesions as they meant too much to him. He went away sorrowful.

If I had the opportunity to follow Christ I would stop showing up for work and follow, no matter what. See the difference?

It's okay but if it it gets in the way or more important than God you have to evaluate your priorities and adjust them

 

[Medjai]

It is at the end of the story, true, but it is not addressed to anyone in specific, it essentially says that it is impossible for rich men to get into heaven, considering that a camel could not fit through the eye of a pin.

 

[CCGR]

it depends on how you become rich I suppose. if your whole life's desire is to to own this one more thing and then you feel complete, you're living for greed and not God. Wheras if my grandparents died and left me their wealthy inheritance, are they in essense sentancing me to hell because they left me a good chuck of change??

it totally depends on the individual. What their purpose in life is for. if it's for the almighty dollar then, they will be sorry when they can't take any of their "accomplsihments" with them to the world after.

you cannot serve God and money.

 

[mrpopdrinker]

It is very possable he ment greedy man.

 

[Medjai]

Wouldn't it have made more sense for him to have said 'greedy men' than 'rich men'?

Anyways, whatever floats your boat I suppose...

 

[Medjai]

CCGR, not trying to put you on a pedestal but it could be argued that it is only alright to become rich through virtuous means, and not those of vanity...

Is inheriting a large sum very virtuous, not that it is 'your fault' so to speak, but sometimes God doesn't care if its your fault, after all, I am pretty sure that the two year olds who drowned in 'the flood' were not deserving of such a thing (no need to argue this, just my opinion, you can of course counter it but I won't continue the conversation on it).

I am simply going by the direct statement of Jesus H. Christ, now, I am assuming we can't assume something like that is different than what it says flat out simply because we don't find such a thing agreable or fair. After all, it is all of you who have argued that we have no way of fully understanding God.

 

[CCGR]

what is Jesus' middle name?  everyone puts an H there...

So God can't use general statements?  In general most rich people are greedy.  their money is #1 priority.  If the lost it all, they would have no where to turn and would rather die in many cases.  Is this a way to live?  

Does that mean ALL rich people are going to hell?  NO!!!!!  I don't see the confusion here.

People who put money before God, the needle camel example is for them.

People with their priorities straight (Small majority for wealthy) have nothing to worry about

Jesus had no shelter or a lot of money.  There were wealthy people that cared and treated him while he was alive and after he died.  These people that cared for him had their hearts in the right place.  Jesus did not yell at them or rebuke them for being wealthy.  

It's only those who put money and earthly things BEFORE God.  I hope you are starting to understand what I'm trying to say here.

God can "bless" people with wealth. He did with Solomon whom asked asked him what he woul wish for. (Of course we know God already knew the answer, he just likes to hear us ask) Anyways Solomon asked for Wisdom. Since he didn't ask for wealth, head of an enemie or long life God blessed him with wisom, wealth and long life. Money in and of itself is not bad, it's how you treat it.