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Problems with Ecumenicalism
Once I convince my Catholic Church that Paul was indeed the Antichrist, and that all our institutionalized Anti-Semitism sources out of Paul, then I can appeal to Judaism – offering Paul’s Head on a silver platter as a good faith gesture that The Church would graft itself again substantially into the Jewish roots it had wrongly abandoned.
Then it occurred to me. There is nobody to negotiate with. Judaism is an unorganized mess. Each Rabbi is more or less in business for himself. No one is in charge. They have a State, but they have no King. Every five minutes they throw out a government, or shoot a Prime Minister who is willing to negotiate for Peace, and then bring in a new PM for another five minutes. Useless talking to them.
I could try something suggested by Medjai – make a Jewish Catholic Pope. People don’t know this, generally, but the Church already has an Ethnic Jewish Cardinal – Jewish on both sides of his family. Get him to dance at a Bar Mitzvah and eat a Kosher Hot Dog and I could Convert thousands of ‘walk in’ Jews, but still, it would be just one at a time. It isn’t like there is a big Jewish Organization that would come into The Church en masse.
I had another idea – Plan B. If I couldn’t find a Jewish Religious Leader, since they don’t have any, to be Pope, then I could use their Capital. The idea of a “Roman” Catholic Church always seemed silly to me. A Universal Church would necessarily have to come from the Religious Capital of the World, which is, you guessed it – Jerusalem. The Big J. This would be the greatest surrender the ‘Roman’ Catholic Church could make, after de-canonizing its founding anti-Semite, Paul. It would be bound to attract a mass Conversion of Jews. But there would be a huge downside….
I couldn’t touch Jerusalem unless the Moslems were already on board. It is their City now. Quite frankly, the Moslems are a better and more Religious and Righteous People than the Jews, and I would not want to alienate the Better People, the Moslems, in order to appease what is only a Historically important People whom The Church feels guilty for having once screwed over – the Jews – these Jews who spent the last 80-some generations totally degenerating into the depths of a moral and ethical Hell. Yes we see a glimmer of decent life from them once in awhile, as for instance when a Jewish screen writer can force himself to remember how to make a morally uplifting end of a Movie… but only after 90 minutes of shallow plot, puerile vulgarity and gratuitous violence, … but, on the whole, every negative anti-Semitic stereotype is, forgive the pun, right on the money. But the Moslems, despite a Religion whose origins have ‘lying cheating rug salesman camel jockey swindle job’ written all over it,.. despite that, they are an amazingly righteous people – they believe in Brotherhood, love of neighbor, they’re zealous for community, they foreswear usury, pray like maniacs and do enough penance to kill a horse, and know more about Submission to God than 99.9% of even the best Catholics. I would not sacrifice one Moslem to convert a million Jews.
Don’t have much choice though. I can see what the Catholic Church could offer the Jews. But the Moslems have a solid Heresy that plugs every loophole for attempted conversion – Mohamed would be the “last and greatest prophet”. I can’t see getting around that. Now, they do have a soft spot in their hearts for Our Lady – they call Her ‘Miriam’. And Our Lady seems to appreciate them. Our Lady of Medjugorje, Bosnia, told Her Visionaries in town that the only ‘Saint’ in the area was a woman who turned out to be a Muslim. Her Visionaries were surprised, even shocked, to hear such a thing, but Our Lady told them that “It is God who decides such Things”.
And if we look back in History, we can see that God more or less kept things even between Christendom and Islam. They won the Crusades, but we sunk their Fleet at Lepanto. We never rode into Mecca, and they never rode into Paris. Even.
What I really need is for Our Lady to do something She has never done before – have a major Apparition before a Non-Catholic Crowd. I need a “Our Lady of Palestine”. Certainly, no People has served a greater penance than the Palestinians. In blood and tears they have paid for a Divine Intervention, and I hope they get it. Because, until the Muslims come on board, it would not be right for the Catholic Church to negotiate with the Jews.
Speaking of Ecumenicalism – what about the Protestants. Well, Paul is really the Apostle to the Protestants. Every Schismatic Heresy was somehow tied into Paulian Doctrine somehow. The Prots will not like it that their Doctrines would be so obviously renounced as deliberately Satanic, which is really the only legitimate excuse the Catholic Church could offer when they de-canonize the crap and throw it in the Vatican dumpster. It would be perceived as a very hostile provocation. But, realistically speaking, after 40 years of The Church making sincere Ecumenical gestures toward the Protestants, all their thousands of denominations have only dug their heals in deeper. So, screw him. Give the Devil his due. We wouldn’t want Hell to go totally empty, now would we. So Fill it with the Prots. They will be ‘saved’ alright – ‘saved’ for when the charcoals are nice and white hot.
Once I convince my Catholic Church that Paul was indeed the Antichrist, and that all our institutionalized Anti-Semitism sources out of Paul, then I can appeal to Judaism – offering Paul’s Head on a silver platter as a good faith gesture that The Church would graft itself again substantially into the Jewish roots it had wrongly abandoned.
Then it occurred to me. There is nobody to negotiate with. Judaism is an unorganized mess. Each Rabbi is more or less in business for himself. No one is in charge. They have a State, but they have no King. Every five minutes they throw out a government, or shoot a Prime Minister who is willing to negotiate for Peace, and then bring in a new PM for another five minutes. Useless talking to them.
I could try something suggested by Medjai – make a Jewish Catholic Pope. People don’t know this, generally, but the Church already has an Ethnic Jewish Cardinal – Jewish on both sides of his family. Get him to dance at a Bar Mitzvah and eat a Kosher Hot Dog and I could Convert thousands of ‘walk in’ Jews, but still, it would be just one at a time. It isn’t like there is a big Jewish Organization that would come into The Church en masse.
I had another idea – Plan B. If I couldn’t find a Jewish Religious Leader, since they don’t have any, to be Pope, then I could use their Capital. The idea of a “Roman” Catholic Church always seemed silly to me. A Universal Church would necessarily have to come from the Religious Capital of the World, which is, you guessed it – Jerusalem. The Big J. This would be the greatest surrender the ‘Roman’ Catholic Church could make, after de-canonizing its founding anti-Semite, Paul. It would be bound to attract a mass Conversion of Jews. But there would be a huge downside….
I couldn’t touch Jerusalem unless the Moslems were already on board. It is their City now. Quite frankly, the Moslems are a better and more Religious and Righteous People than the Jews, and I would not want to alienate the Better People, the Moslems, in order to appease what is only a Historically important People whom The Church feels guilty for having once screwed over – the Jews – these Jews who spent the last 80-some generations totally degenerating into the depths of a moral and ethical Hell. Yes we see a glimmer of decent life from them once in awhile, as for instance when a Jewish screen writer can force himself to remember how to make a morally uplifting end of a Movie… but only after 90 minutes of shallow plot, puerile vulgarity and gratuitous violence, … but, on the whole, every negative anti-Semitic stereotype is, forgive the pun, right on the money. But the Moslems, despite a Religion whose origins have ‘lying cheating rug salesman camel jockey swindle job’ written all over it,.. despite that, they are an amazingly righteous people – they believe in Brotherhood, love of neighbor, they’re zealous for community, they foreswear usury, pray like maniacs and do enough penance to kill a horse, and know more about Submission to God than 99.9% of even the best Catholics. I would not sacrifice one Moslem to convert a million Jews.
Don’t have much choice though. I can see what the Catholic Church could offer the Jews. But the Moslems have a solid Heresy that plugs every loophole for attempted conversion – Mohamed would be the “last and greatest prophet”. I can’t see getting around that. Now, they do have a soft spot in their hearts for Our Lady – they call Her ‘Miriam’. And Our Lady seems to appreciate them. Our Lady of Medjugorje, Bosnia, told Her Visionaries in town that the only ‘Saint’ in the area was a woman who turned out to be a Muslim. Her Visionaries were surprised, even shocked, to hear such a thing, but Our Lady told them that “It is God who decides such Things”.
And if we look back in History, we can see that God more or less kept things even between Christendom and Islam. They won the Crusades, but we sunk their Fleet at Lepanto. We never rode into Mecca, and they never rode into Paris. Even.
What I really need is for Our Lady to do something She has never done before – have a major Apparition before a Non-Catholic Crowd. I need a “Our Lady of Palestine”. Certainly, no People has served a greater penance than the Palestinians. In blood and tears they have paid for a Divine Intervention, and I hope they get it. Because, until the Muslims come on board, it would not be right for the Catholic Church to negotiate with the Jews.
Speaking of Ecumenicalism – what about the Protestants. Well, Paul is really the Apostle to the Protestants. Every Schismatic Heresy was somehow tied into Paulian Doctrine somehow. The Prots will not like it that their Doctrines would be so obviously renounced as deliberately Satanic, which is really the only legitimate excuse the Catholic Church could offer when they de-canonize the crap and throw it in the Vatican dumpster. It would be perceived as a very hostile provocation. But, realistically speaking, after 40 years of The Church making sincere Ecumenical gestures toward the Protestants, all their thousands of denominations have only dug their heals in deeper. So, screw him. Give the Devil his due. We wouldn’t want Hell to go totally empty, now would we. So Fill it with the Prots. They will be ‘saved’ alright – ‘saved’ for when the charcoals are nice and white hot.
