heres a challenge to all of you

L

layzie

New Member
How many of you guys cried in movies? i kno i have. Remember lion king? hehe believe or not that was one of the movies i cried in well there was a meeting i went too.. long time ago and we had a pastor to teach us a lesson. He was a really bad speaker. Anyways, there was this one thing that i remembered quite well and will never forget. He said.. "You guys can shed tears in a movie but what about the lord? Do you know what Jesus has done for us?" when i heard this it made me think alot. yes we do cry when something bad happens to us or someone might of past away.. i dunno. But how come we dont shed one drop of tear for our lord..our savior.. who died on the cross to wash our sins away. Sometimes we forget what Jesus has really done. It's just something to think about

Well thanks for your time to read my post

also i would like to leave a prayer request
-im really struggling in school right now and my Christian life has been going down in a spiral, so if you can pray for me, i would really appriciate it. Im starting to doubt alot of things and i know thats perfectly normal for being a Christian but its hard so yea thanks alot.
 
Welcome to CGA Layzie one. and no. the only times ive cried, when : (A) grandparents died. or (B) any of the numerous times my parents argued and i was a little kid or © my bro was evil and i cried to get my way
wink.gif
. other than that i dont cry.
 
For me I have teared many times when singing worship songs.

Welcome to the boards layzie.

If you like, please post any religous questions. There are many knowledgeable and well spoken members on these forums. That I am sure would be happy to help in anyway they can. Myself included.
 
hmm, never cried in a movie. I cried when my Grandfather died, when My football team had a perfect season, and then with 2 seconds on the clock in the playoffs the other team kicked a 52 yd field goal to win by one point(thinking about it is gonna make me cry again
sad.gif
) and when I read john 14, or revelation 22, or the crucifixion, I do cry sometimes, but not when anyone is looking. I'll pray for you
 
I cry a fair amount - don't believe it's healthy to bottle it up for no good reason. That said I do try and avoid tasteless displays of public emotion - but in private, give me a decent movie and ....sniffle...

This isn't to say that I bawl and wail - but a tear does slip out from time to time. Generally I don't think about Gods at this time.
 
I rarely ever cry during movies. ( That includes "The Passions of the Christ". ) I think the main reason that we don't cry over Jesus' death is because He rose from the dead. Why should we morn for Him when he is as alive as the Sun shines? Anyway, don't be afraid to cry. God wouldn't have created crying if he didn't think it was OK.
 
I agree, but I believe shedding tears over Jesus' sacrifice is really more over what he went through, and how he paid a debt that we never could. It comes with the realization that without his suffering and sacrifice that we never deserved, we could never do anything on our own to pay that debt. In short, it's a realization of our own helplessness before God, and gratitude for a gift generously given.
 
I STILL don't understand the big deal about Christs sacrifice, and why it's doing something that nobody else can.

Look out your window, every day there are simple people giving everything that they are and have for others, with no expectation of reward or restitution. How does this compare poorly to somebody who gave up something he knew would be replaced?

If the whole crucifixion thing is true then he must have known that after suffering he would be raised again. He must have known that his old man wasn't going to let him stay dead - so what is the big deal here?
 
The difference is, is that we have all sinned. Jesus didn't. Yes He knew that He would be resurrected, but He was still scared of the suffering he knew he would endure. That is why He asked if it was by the Lords will that He may pass the cup to another.

Now why did Jesus have to die, and why are we redeemed in His blood. The original way to atone for sin was to sacrafice animals, always the good animals none that were unhealthy or lame.

Personal opinion here, I think God made the blood sacrafice for four reasons.

1) The punishment for sin is death. Through this practice we learned that our sins cost the lives of another so we may atone. Hence symbolicly paving the way for Jesus.

2) The good animals had a monetary, so by continuing to sin, the sinner loses money.

3) Being part of the family, If an animal lives a reasonably amount of time there is a good chance that someone in the family has grown attached to the animal. Could you imagine having to tell a child that you have to sacrafice their pet because you couldn't restrain yourself.

4) Third, I am pretty sure it was gross. I think it is safe to say that making a blood sacrafice was at very least very unpleasant.
 
Hey...you can purposefully cut yourself, knowing that it'll heal in time. Assuming the technology was around to grow and replace limbs and organs, you could lop off an arm or a leg, knowing that it'd be replaced later. In all probability, you could shoot yourself, go legally dead, and then be revived. But would just knowing that you'd be back later make taking the pain any easier? And would you be able to do it if it meant nothing for you, and benefit only for someone who didn't know you?

The payment for our sins, as Whitestone said, was in blood. It was in pain. It was in the raw despair that is seperation from God. So what if death and seperation from God wasn't permanent for Jesus? Do you think he enjoyed it?
 
No, but cutting the hand of someone who doesn't have access to those limb regrowth techniques you're talking about is a lot more poignant than cutting the hand off our regenerating extermitied friend.

And don't get me started on Sin. You were created with a certain nature and if following that nature is sinful then blame the original installer. It's the height of folly to grow bananas and then curse them for being yellow and pointy.

IMHO original sin is the original scam.
 
one of the kickers of the crucifixion is that Christ wasn't just God...he was also fully human, 2 natures in one. It's not easy to explain because we've never seen anything like it before and thus we really can't explain it all too well, but there are a lot of thesi out there about his dual nature. Anyway, the point is, it's a big deal because the fact that he suffered and died means he felt pain that we felt - thus, he really can relate to us. If he was just a man, then it really is no big deal. If he was just God, then ditto, no difference. But the fact that he was both means our sin is atoned for.

And about depravity...our stance, Eon, is that we are born with a sinful nature, and true it's not our fault, but God didn't create man originally with that kind of nature. Adam and Eve screwed up, and because of that we are too. There's lots of theories about this as well that I could get into (and just let me know if you'd like to read some of the things I've researched/written concerning hamartiology) but the fact is, Christ's death and resurrection means we have a way to get past the sinful nature we're born with.

If I were growing bananas and expected them to come out green because that's how I programmed them to, and they come out yellow instead, I'd wanna know what went wrong and how to fix it. Not to say that God is a banana farmer...lol.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Mahfrot @ Feb. 27 2004,6:45)]one of the kickers of the crucifixion is that Christ wasn't just God...he was also fully human, 2 natures in one.  It's not easy to explain because we've never seen anything like it before and thus we really can't explain it all too well, but there are a lot of thesi out there about his dual nature.  Anyway, the point is, it's a big deal because the fact that he suffered and died means he felt pain that we felt - thus, he really can relate to us.  If he was just a man, then it really is no big deal.  If he was just God, then ditto, no difference.  But the fact that he was both means our sin is atoned for.
Click to expand...
Aye...

Anselm of Canterbury and Peter Abelard have two very good explanations of the Atonement, which people have been arguing over for centuries...but the key is that in both theories Christ's co-humanity/divinity is central.

That's the only thing that makes our faith viable.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]
And don't get me started on Sin. You were created with a certain nature and if following that nature is sinful then blame the original installer. It's the height of folly to grow bananas and then curse them for being yellow and pointy.
Click to expand...
We weren't created sinful, we were created perfect. But we chose to be sinful.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]We weren't created sinful, we were created perfect. But we chose to be sinful.
Click to expand...

Adam and Eve couldn't have been created perfect if they sinned. Sinning would be a mistake, and a perfect being would not make mistakes.
 
They were perfect BEFORE they sinned, but they chose to sin. Everyone has a choice in what they do, perfect or not.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Eon @ Feb. 26 2004,10:58)]I STILL don't understand the big deal about Christs sacrifice, and why it's doing something that nobody else can.

Look out your window, every day there are simple people giving everything that they are and have for others, with no expectation of reward or restitution.
Click to expand...
I would just like you to think clearly about his sacrifice and how it was for everyone. Simple people giving everything they are/have to others sounds very noble, I'll agree, but they give to those they both love and receive love from. Jesus died on the cross for those who'd lived their lives full of sin, even those who called for his crucifixion. Looking out your window, do you see people "giving everything that they are and have for others" to a person that has wronged him/her? Everyone has wronged Jesus by sinning, but he still gave His life on the cross for us. I can't even fathom how you can say "I STILL don't understand the big deal about Christs sacrifice, and why it's doing something that nobody else can." His sacrifice was all-encompassing. Who else but the Son of God could be put through the torture and mockery Jesus went through, be nailed to a cross and left out to dry and STILL be able to forgive the very people that sought his death?
 
In extremis you'd be surprised at the level on which the mind works. I can talk from experience - I do know that people are capable of forgiving those that hurt them, even of loving them. That happens every day in the real world - not a big deal at all.

The problem is that you guys are trying to have your cake and eat it. Humanity and Divinity are two sides of a scale in your argument - you can't be both Blue and Red, that's called Purple. It's a different colour. If you used to be Purple, but you rejected Red, then now you're Blue. You aren't still Purple, you WERE Purple and now you're Blue. You see?

Other than the minority, in addition, the sacrifice you're talking about was a vain one. The manner in which it was done, and the method used to communicate it, guarantees that. That's always the risk when you make a big sacrifice for a group of people you don't know to solve a problem that they didn't know they had. They tend not to believe you. In addition, any gift given with the intention of establishing or maintaining dominion is not an altruistic one. If it had been done so that all sin was defeated then I could understand it - but the way that the bible tells it, it sounds like a piece of scriptural book keeping.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top