Patriot
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Since this spawned in the gambling thread and doesn't really relate I thought I would break this off. Mostly because I wanted to respond to it but didn't want to hijack the other thread any more than it had been.
Suffice to say, the question is, since God created all of us (humans) is God everyone's father?
I tend to think, in the creation sense, yes, God is everyone's father in that he created everyone. This is evidenced in the verses Avesther posted (Eph 4:4-6). However, since Scripture needs to live harmoniously with Scripture we are forced to deal with the verses that Sassamo lists out as well as my personal favorite when dealing with this topic:
1 John 3:10
This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
So I conclude that while we have a maker/father in the creation sense, we also have a spiritual father, God or the devil, depending on the status of our adoption. Being God's creation affords you no special rights or privileges; He's pretty much promised to burn most of his creation. Only being a Child of God in the spiritual sense do you get the privilege of being an adopted heir. I would never call the unredeemed my brother or sister in the spiritual sense (which happens to be the usage in the New Testament).
Alcoholics, who are by definition still brothers and sisters (let me digress a second and define a brother and sister: Anybody who shares the same father. We all share the same father, some simply haven't acknowledged God as the father), are stumbling all over the place...is your not enjoying a beer having any effect?
I don't think this has much effect on the root of the current topic, but I felt I had to inject something here:
1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
John 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Just to name a few!
Ephesians 4:4-6
4There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called— 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
Emphasis added
If I'm taking that out of context, apparently, I take everything out of context, feel free to let me know.
If you haven't accepted Christ as your Lord and Savior, then you don't know your father because you can only know the Father through the Son. But does that change that the one God is the Father of all? I don't think so.
Jesus said we can not serve to masters. I assume master one is God, the true and only master, or you can replace master one with any one of your choosing serve it, like alcoholism or drugs or sex or lies or whatever your heart desired but all that doesn't change that God is the Father of all. I'm probably wrong, I usually am on these things.
I'm done with this topic. Have a good evening\morning all.
My prayer for you all is that God Blesses you with the wisdom in all things he has not blessed me with and more.
Suffice to say, the question is, since God created all of us (humans) is God everyone's father?
I tend to think, in the creation sense, yes, God is everyone's father in that he created everyone. This is evidenced in the verses Avesther posted (Eph 4:4-6). However, since Scripture needs to live harmoniously with Scripture we are forced to deal with the verses that Sassamo lists out as well as my personal favorite when dealing with this topic:
1 John 3:10
This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
So I conclude that while we have a maker/father in the creation sense, we also have a spiritual father, God or the devil, depending on the status of our adoption. Being God's creation affords you no special rights or privileges; He's pretty much promised to burn most of his creation. Only being a Child of God in the spiritual sense do you get the privilege of being an adopted heir. I would never call the unredeemed my brother or sister in the spiritual sense (which happens to be the usage in the New Testament).