Third Heaven as i saw it.

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Quote[/b] (Medjai @ Sep. 30 2003,1:32)]Yes, it is possible that he had a hallucination, which is why I recommend him visiting a specialist. I am not saying he 'is' crazy, just that he should get himself evaluated, 'just in case'.
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Yes but by that statement you are saying anyone who has a vison is in some kind of trouble please correct me if I am wrong. I will read the whole thing later and evaluate it.
 
OK i just read the whole thing I dident see the part where he said he would speak as men speak. It does sound legit to me. The only part of it I question is where it said all things you need to know are now knowen to you. You need still read the word of God you can still be decieved. I just hope I just wasent.
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I completely agree with Medjai.

See, Pop, you're giving him way too much benefit of the doubt. This guy is obvioulsy a bs'er. He signed up on these boards to spout his nonsensical doctrine and holy sounding speech, not to truly discuss religious matters or learn from/teach others. I think everyone (besides me
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) is taking this guy WAY too seriously. He's just here to shake stuff up a bit.

Now, say he had come here, signed up, and this was his very first post, opening with and explanation of his religious background and then going on to tell about this strange vision he had, possibly seeking understanding. While I certainly wouldn't believe what he saw was of God, or maybe that he even had a vision, I'd atleast take him 10x more seriously than I could ever take this guy.

If adelpit were to come on here in the middle of July and predict a hot and sunny day tomorrow, I'd put on my winter jacket and plan on going snowboarding.
 
i find it interesting, because the spirit of Paul would not be in Heaven yet. Paul would still be asleep, awaiting the Day of the Lord.

And as Pop pointed out, there are things we need to know that we might not know yet. That we haven't learned yet. I learn new things all the time. Once you stop learning, you stop truly living.


While the posts in this thread don't scream 'WRONG' to me, as much as his earlier posts do, they still feel WRONG. I'm not sure if it's due to the earlier heresies I've read in his postings, or merely lunch not sitting well. But my instincts says Timor is correct. Aldepit is not here for discussion.

And I do have to wonder just where his religious beliefs truly lie.
 
but his spirit would be with the Lord no? to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord?
 
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[b said:
Quote[/b] ]I think everyone (besides me ) is taking this guy WAY too seriously.
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WHAT?!? I take offense at that.
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Actually, the banter back and forth and responses have been some of the funniest on these forums. It's just a shame Eon isn't here to enjoy it.

I was going to back up Medjai as well. I think Medjai is using the past experiences and posting behavior to draw the latest conclusion.
 
I agree with you Timor I am taking him too seriously. However I dont feel right calling him a liar. Actually Kidan absent with the body present with the Lord. Pauls spirit was cought up for a short time and he wasent dead. We do not sleep until the day of the Lord that is false doctrine.
 
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Quote[/b] (Kidan @ Sep. 30 2003,2:18)]i find it interesting, because the spirit of Paul would not  be in Heaven yet.  Paul would still be asleep, awaiting the Day of the Lord.

And as Pop pointed out, there are things we need to know that we might not know yet.  That we haven't learned yet.  I learn new things all the time.  Once you stop learning, you stop truly living.
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Kidan, we do not know that for sure, that is just a theory.  If I were to guess, I would say Paul is with Christ right now for two reasons.  Number 1, when on the cross Jesus turned to the criminal and said TODAY you will be in paradise with me.  Number 2, God is outside of time, there is no time for him.



Also we do know everything we need to know in order to be a Christian.  We have all the knowledge we need to accept Jesus and be saved.  If you look at it spiritually we still have more to learn, but we all already have the bare minimum.
 
If God is outside of time, he is a static being, as without time there is no change...
 
Thats what the bible says Medjal is that he dosnt change, he is the same Yesterday today and tomorrow. that is how we know we can trust him because he keeps his covenats with us.
And its how you can come to know him through the bible, through his son Jesus.

Take care and God Bless
Rand NobleBlade
Paladin
 
show me in the Bible where it says otherwise, I'll show you in the Bible, where the dead are called up to Heaven on the day of the Lord


The guy on the Cross was destined for Abraham's bossom not Heaven, and besides, could not Christ make a special concession?


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Quote[/b] ]Also we do know everything we need to know in order to be a Christian. We have all the knowledge we need to accept Jesus and be saved. If you look at it spiritually we still have more to learn, but we all already have the bare minimum.
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And how does this change what I said?


Medjai-- God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. That's in the Bible.
 
I am assuming you meen the dead in Yeshua rising first for the rapture? That is speaking of the aspect of the body remember we have three aspects. The body soul and spirit will be put together again and we will have a new gloryfied body but untill then we will be spirits. I cannot remember where but the Bible as far as I know does say absent from the body present with the Lord.
 
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Quote[/b] (Rand NobleBlade @ Oct. 01 2003,10:16)]Thats what the bible says Medjal is that he dosnt change, he is the same Yesterday today and tomorrow. that is how we know we can trust him because he keeps his covenats with us.
And its how you can come to know him through the bible, through his son Jesus.

Take care and God Bless
Rand NobleBlade
Paladin
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immutability? numerous times in the Bible does God change

for instance, before the creation of the world, God "wants" to create it....he then does so, and is finished and content with his work...this is change
 
Now how to explain this I am suprised people still use this argument Timor. The way everything was changed but God dident. God=fruits of the spirit as I am sure you know. God creating the world dident change who he was it just changed other things.
 
lets analize this
before creation after creation
didn't like sin (cough Lucifer) doesn't like sin
gives angels choice (cough Lucifer) gives people choice
makes promisises keeps them


i would like you to come up with a better argument against the Imutability of God, because a much better one can be made, like in the Bible it says God is a merciful God, or God is a God of compassion. And then it says things like God is a jealous God or an angry God.

What this is saying is that God is loving and merciful, but if you still don't follow his commands there will be consequences, but you don't have to go to hell because of it. It can also be looked at and given explanations for many different ways. Thats just the one I relate to.
 
It was the money that became a serpent.
And as for Paul, 1930 years ago he was in Third Heaven in the spirit and the soul, but not yet dead in the earth.
And as for me in 1974, i was in Third Heaven in the spirit and the soul, and also not dead in the earth.
Since Jesus removed Pugatory and Abraham's Bosom to Third Heaven, no man's soul and spirit is asleep in the earth, but the fleshy body alone.
This was one of two things He did to purchase for us:
1. Exemption from purgatory.
2. Not having to enter into Heaven by sleeping and resurrection.
Jesus came to save the soul(conscious mind) from death(sleeping in the earth).
So that it is like this:
Lucifer thougth in his mind to exault himself.
Hell was created.
There was a war in Third Heaven.
Lucifer was cast with one third angels into Hell and their physical bodies bound in chains.
Adam and Eve created.
Adam willingly sinned.
Because of the need to begin a perfect Body of Christ with WILLING spirits, Adam and Eve had willing spirits. amen
Purgatory created.
Cain came into the world with a UNWILLING spirit.
Abel came into the world with a WILLING SPIRIT.
Job had a WILLING spirit.
Cain went at death(sleeping in the earth) into Hell.
Abel and Job went at death into Purgatory.
Abram become Abraham.
Purgatory EXPANDED to include Jews.
Jesus becomes THE LAMB OF GOd.
Jesus remove Purgatory and Abraham's Bosom to THIRD HEAVEN.
Hell remains.
The Third Witness WINS CHRIST.
The GREAT TRIBULATION BEGINS.
LAKE OF FIRE CREATED.
The beast, false prophet, and those with the mark of the beast that worshipped him are thrown into THE LAKE OF FIRE.
then Revelation 20:10,14, and 15.
ALL things whatsoever i have need for have been given to me in the HOLY SPIRIT/GHOST. AMEN
i am nothing0.
JESUS IS THE LORD1PRAISE THE LORD1THE LORD YESHUA. AMEN
 
Webster's New Collegiate dictionary list as NUMBER ONE FOR PARADISE:Heaven, not Purgatory.
i am nothing0.
JESUS IS THE LORD1PRAISE THE LORD1THE LORD YESHUA. AMEN
 
IT DOES NOT OFFEND me WHAT men say about anything i have brought here.
A christian is NEVER offended. We only turn the other cheek and do not oppose evil. amen
i am nothing0 same as Paul.
JESUS IS THE LORD1PRAISE THE LORD1THE LORD YESHUA. AMEN
 
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