Why is it Ok To Kill?

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balrogdude27

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My parents have told me that killing in games is wrong. I want to believe them and obey them because they are good christian believers who want what is best for me. I got counterstrike Source with HL2 and bought 1.6 seperataly. I think my parents will be ok with me playing it if I get some good reasons why it is OK to play games where you kill people. I Think it is fine, because it is not real and is harmless fun. But i want REAL reasons. Like scripture and other biblical reasons. Please help me on this one! I would think this belongs here because it has to do with CS and i want to join ur guys clan if i am good enough.
 
I don't have a problem with these type of games to be honest. I don't really think it is wrong to play shooter type games, or games where there is some killing involved. CS is not gory or over the top like some other games I know, ie: Doom 3. My "problem" with video games are twofold. First, I belive if a person puts video games ahead of God then there's something really wrong there. We should never put anything ahead of the Lord. Secondly, I do believe some games are somewhat demonic. I'll mention Doom 3 because I saw some of that game. I'm not saying that if you play this game your're going to hell or anything. It's just some of the images seem demonic.
I kinda know what you mean with your parents. I had the same problem. But a friend of mine and me asked our pastor if it was ok to play games like Counter-Strike. He didn't have a problem with it when we described the games, CS, to him. This is coming from a guy that I really respect and I know that he is a man that loves the Lord. So my take is that if he doesn't have a problem with it, then its pretty much ok. If I were you, I would do a few things. First of all, I would talk to my pastor or people in church that I respect and ask for their opinion. Secondly, I would just talk to my folks about it and maybe even show them CS. My parents didn't care for some of the games I was playing, and I changed. I would say with confidence that they dont have a problem with CS at all. But if they don't want you to play the games, then I think you will have to obey them. sorry. hope this helps dude. keep us updated. Oh and by the way, you can join the TOJ clan by going to www.toj.cc and sign up. there are no tryouts. if that were the case, I wouldn't be here :)
 
I'm not taking an credit for this just showing a place to look... Our good ol buddy Rizz was so thoughtfull as to tackle this topic a while back when everyone was coming into the server complaining about how Christians should play CS

Kodos to you Rizz

http://rizz.pure-fun.com/cs.htm
 
ah nice whon, i was looking for that earlyer but wasnt able to find it for the post
 
http://www.godsfrozenchosen.com/thecall.html A good little article PhaseTim wrote up about a year ago.

Us Counter-Strike admins get this question and critisism all the time. Our response, "Its just a game, its virtual, doesnt mean we are gonna go out and shoot people in the head"
 
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Talon said:
http://www.godsfrozenchosen.com/thecall.html A good little article PhaseTim wrote up about a year ago.

Us Counter-Strike admins get this question and critisism all the time. Our response, "Its just a game, its virtual, doesnt mean we are gonna go out and shoot people in the head"
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like the guy in the tacoma shootings
 
Talon said:
http://www.godsfrozenchosen.com/thecall.html A good little article PhaseTim wrote up about a year ago.

Us Counter-Strike admins get this question and critisism all the time. Our response, "Its just a game, its virtual, doesnt mean we are gonna go out and shoot people in the head"
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Is it ok to play a game with raping? Or pornography?

Im just saying because i use the excuse that its not real and isnt like im gonna go out and kill people. and anyone who is arguing against me say what i said above, IS it ok for raping or pornography if its in a game? ITS JUST A GAME....... I am looking for a real excuse. My excuse is meat sacrificed to idols. So what I am looking for is BIBLICAL SCRIPTURE

1Cr 8:4 Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one.
 
yo read the stuff by pastor and rizz, they give real answers
 
Talon said:
http://www.godsfrozenchosen.com/thecall.html A good little article PhaseTim wrote up about a year ago.

Us Counter-Strike admins get this question and critisism all the time. Our response, "Its just a game, its virtual, doesnt mean we are gonna go out and shoot people in the head"
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That is a dead link, and I read the article Rizz wrote. It is also agreeing with my view of meat sacrificed to idols. And my parents are ok with me watching movies with killing, (Matrix, The Rock, Lord of the rings, Etc.) They make sure the movies dont have to much swearing and some movies they edit scenes out or i can only see the TV version which edits out the really bad content.
 
Since this thread involves an issue important to all Christian gamers, I considered moving it to CGA General Discussion. Because it involves seeking scriptural answers to a specific question, it may also be appropriate for the Bible Study or Religious Discussion forums.

For now, I'm going to move it to CGA General. If it needs to be moved again, I'll do so.

Thread moved to CGA General Discussion.
 
balrogdude27 said:
Is it ok to play a game with raping? Or pornography? Im just saying because i use the excuse that its not real and isnt like im gonna go out and kill people.
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On the issue of sex v. violence in games:

Many games that feature characters killing one another are based on warfare situations: Counter-Strike, Battlefield 2, Day of Defeat, Natural Selection, Starcraft, and so on. The commandment often interpreted "Thou shalt not kill" is better translated "Thou shalt not murder."

While the concern regarding exposure to violent content and subsequent desensitization remains, the difference between murdering characters in Grand Theft Auto and killing enemy soldiers in Day of Defeat must be highlighted for a fair discussion of violence in video games. Tribe of Judah has several chapters based on games simulating warfare, but will never start a Grand Theft Auto chapter.

Here are some situations to consider:
  • Someone breaks into your home with obvious intent to harm your family. Is it sinful to shoot or kill that person to protect your family?
  • You're a soldier during World War II. Enemy soldiers are approaching your position. Is it sinful to kill an enemy soldier to defend yourself, your fellow soldiers, and, ultimately, your country?
  • You ask a friend to borrow $20. The friend declines. This makes you terribly angry and you decide to shoot your friend. Is your anger and subsequent retribution sinful?
Games have long simulated warfare. Is it wrong to play Battleship? When you call out the location of an enemy battleship and sink it, one could say that you're simulating the deaths of hundreds of soldiers by means of drowning. Modern games are, of course, far more realistic and stand a much greater chance of desensitizing players to violence.

One must consider the intent of the identity the player assumes while playing the game, even if it is not the complete equation. In games like Medal of Honor and Call of Duty, the intent is to fight for one's country. In the Grand Theft Auto series, the intent is to steal, kill, and destroy for personal profit. It is not only the exposure to content, but also to attitude, that we must consider.

Clearly exposure to sexual and pornographic content is intended to stir up lust and, consequently, urge us to pay pornographers for additional content. Watching Private Ryan will likely inspire a greater appreciation for the terrible price American soldiers have paid to protect our freedom. Watching a pornographic movie only indulges lustful desires.

As for the matter of exposure to content that would stir us to anger and violence, the Word provides clear illustrations that we must flee temptation. This means that if watching your favorite football team lose makes you launch into a rage, you shouldn't watch football games when your favorite team is playing. If watching commercials makes you want to punch advertising executives in the face, then avoid commercials.

Politicians will address content in games as long as gullible voters fall for the smokescreen clouding more important political issues. We, as Christians and gamers, must decide for ourselves what we will and will not play. While I agree that we need to discuss this matter at length, I encourage every Christian gamer to seek the Lord in prayer on this subject. If you are convicted while playing a certain game, stop and uninstall that game, but do not assume that your personal conviction applies to all gamers.

Now, that being said, would anyone care to cite Scriptures concerning the matter of exposure to violent (warfare, not murder) content?
 
balrogdude, first and foremost you should always obey your parents, whether you agree with them or not. I'm not assuming that you aren't, but I just wanted to get that out there for anyone else reading this thread.

I don't think that you're going to get the answer you're looking for. There is nowhere in the Bible that God said, "Sure, play video games where you kill each people. It's cool." The scriptures are full of violence, murder and war. Perhaps you could discuss the specific role of your character. You aren't asking them to play GTA, where your character is a gangster and actually murdering people. You are asking to play a war-game simulation where you are killing because of a war, which is very realistic and is mentioned in scripture.
 
i can see where you parents are getting this. mine where just the same but they understood it was just a game and i wouldent go crazy and start killing people. you should obay you parents but tell them its just a game, yes you are killing people but it is all a game and im sure theywouldent have a problem with a Christian game sever
 
for my folks they are worred most about the sexual and extreme cultism. however ive always kept a mature attitude towards games, if it seemed to gory etc, i generally would not get it. with CS and GW, they like the fact im apart of a large christian community and more or less i play more for the community, but now i pwn in CS so i play to pwn sometimes but yeah
 
I've never really bought into the whole "murder is wrong, but warfare is ok" thing".

Do you make it a point of never playing as the terrorists in CS?

REAL warfare had reasons for going to war. WWII was about stopping the tyranny of a madman. While there were some truly evil Nazis, your average member of the Wermacht or the Luftwaffe was just a guy fighting for his country.

You can't honestly compare a round of BF2 with historical warfare. BF2 is about the kills, pure and simple. Not for some higher ideal or purpose.

Tek, your sig shows you play a lot of Unreal Tournament. How do you justify the mindless fragging in that game? Murder or killing? I don't think you can chalk that up to simulated warfare.

BTW, ATown, what is "extreme cultism"?

Bottom line, respect your parents wishes and concerns. You may not agree with them, but they're your parents.
 
i believe morrowind can be a fine example of extreme cultism, the main story line is very dark and steeped in ocultish practices, even through the expansions its very dark. thats why i refused to play the main story line past the dremer mines, i just did random stuff to get rich and pwn stuff. not many games have extreme cultism, but some do.
 
I'll believe the "violent entertainment is OK, because it's just entertainment" line when someone shows me a historical account of Jesus as a spectator cheering on a gladiator to annihilate his opponent.
 
Talon said:
http://www.godsfrozenchosen.com/thecall.html A good little article PhaseTim wrote up about a year ago.

Us Counter-Strike admins get this question and critisism all the time. Our response, "Its just a game, its virtual, doesnt mean we are gonna go out and shoot people in the head"
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I don't think that validates Christians playing Counter-Strike at all. Notice the only offensive weapon (sword) Paul ever uses in his analogy represents SCRIPTURE?!? Not even those who suffered the oppression of the Roman Empire were instructed to combat it.
 
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