brootis
Member
Since the beginning of summer there have been some issues coming up within our happy little community that I feel need to be addressed I thought I'd take the time and share some things with the guild that used to be common knowledge.
Redeemed is NOT a raiding guild. It’s a bold fact that some people seem to constantly miss. Whilst we do raid, and often, it’s not our main goal as a guild; we’re a fellowship. We are a group of like minded individuals who all seek to be around other Christians. The WoW world outside our guild isn’t like us, a look at trade chat can tell you that; there may be individuals who share our beliefs, and guilds based on Christianity, but we are a unique guild in our own right.
That being said several of the officers and activity coordinators have been getting bombarded with tells asking why they haven’t been able to raid with the group when we go into ICC. There are accusations of favoritism, or snubbing, and other malicious things being strewn about. It is too much drama for a group of people who are supposed to be brothers and sisters in the Lord.
As an Activity Coordinator I’d like to set a few things straight.
1. Raiding in Redeemed is not our priority, if all you want to raid every night kill the Lich King then move onto Ruby Sanctum with epic level players who constantly down everything first pull without mistakes and with little preparation, Redeemed is not for you. There are many hard core raiding guilds on Stonemaul alone that would be willing to take your level of epic-ness and put it to good use.
2. Many people think that because we’re a Christian Guild we need to bend over backwards so that they can get into a raid, be they under geared, inexperienced, or one of the multiple other reasons that other non-Christian guilds won’t take them. This is a mistake to think like that. When a Christian school recruits for its football team they don’t take everyone, they take only those who they believe have a chance at helping the team win. While we aren’t as strict as that, on our raids we need to be, or else people begin to pay for it, in gold, wasted time, and eventually temperament.
3. Progression raids are to advance things that the guild hasn’t seen before, that means we take who we consider the best that are on at the time and try and make it work. Want to know how to become the best at your class? Look on the forums or talk to a class leader or A.C. for spec’s, have a computer that doesn’t lag every ten seconds, be on time and sober when you raid so you can think clearly, study the fights we might do before hand so you ‘re not surprised when the mobs suddenly start doing the funky chicken dance, keep aware of what’s going on in the raid so that you can make those split second changes that mean the difference between the life and death of your toon because one character down in a progression raid has the chance to wipe us all, make sure the gear you’ve got is the best you can get before going into the raid, make sure your gems and enchants are up to snuff. All of the answers to these things can be found on multiple forums, in multiple places. Every Vet has to do this, and then meet the requirements to DPS hard, Heal super well, and tank like a machine; which takes a lot of practice and studying. The Vets are those people who want to be hard core raiders, and could have moved on to hard core raiding guilds and downed the newest boss the first night it comes out, but choose not too because of the love of fellowship this fine guild has to offer.
4. Non-Progression raids are to help people experience a new part of WoW, and they get to experience this new part of WoW over and over again. We work to gear people who want to come, but more than that, we do it because it’s fun. When we wipe half the time I’m laughing because of the silliness of it. When we get far, I’m proud of it because of what we’ve accomplished together. If you want to be a vet, these are the trenches you need to be fighting in to get those votes that get you into progression, for some it’s harder than others. Not all classes are made equal, and not all computers can handle the strain of high end raids. However if you can’t get into a non-progression raid, you’ll have to wait. We can’t take everyone, and we’ll try and take whoever we can in order to get the raid moving. I’ve been in 10 man icc’s with the guild where we wipe five times on Marrowgar because we didn’t have the right group, and this was last month, not when the raid first came out.
5. The order of people we take are as follows.
a. main vets
b. mains (check left behind list) (gear, is their gear score high enough for them to go?)
c. class selection enters in
d. raid leader discretion
e. probation
f. rolls
Looking at the list above you’ll notice that the first thing we take is what we need to finish the raid we’re on. If a probation ranged dps alt is what we need over a Vet melee DPS the ranged alt goes because that’s what we need. Raiding is a privilege not a right. The bible does not say “Thou shall pwn adds and then go forth and slay bosses so thou can receive thine epic loots. “ If you are dropped from a raid because we cannot use you, don’t feel bad, after you leave always WL add the raid leader once more so they can add you to the wait list, and try and get you in as soon as possible. We work to try and get as many people into the raids as possible, and sometimes we have more dps heals or tanks than we need.
6. Poor performance: If you go on a raid and seem to be having trouble in the raid and later are passed over; ask your class leader or the raid leader if there is something you can do make your toon more viable for raiding. Sometimes you have a bad night and you accidentally cause a wipe, or just can’t seem to get the strat down; make sure you let the raid leaders know that you’re aware you made a mistake and learned from it or that you’re having a problem. We are a patient lot, and will do what we can to help you.
7. On a not wholly unrelated note: Stop causing drama, stop spreading drama, enjoy the fellowship. This isn’t high school. While there are a lot of people here I’m almost certain that the median age of our guild is well into its twenties. If you have an issue with something that’s happened bring it up to the person you’re having an issue with, if they are not receptive then do one of two things. Turn the other cheek and ignore it, or get an officer involved. Most things that happen in our guild happen because of misunderstandings that can be worked out between two people acting like grown adults or with an intermediary. As always talking it out with the person you’re upset with is always preferred.
Redeemed is NOT a raiding guild. It’s a bold fact that some people seem to constantly miss. Whilst we do raid, and often, it’s not our main goal as a guild; we’re a fellowship. We are a group of like minded individuals who all seek to be around other Christians. The WoW world outside our guild isn’t like us, a look at trade chat can tell you that; there may be individuals who share our beliefs, and guilds based on Christianity, but we are a unique guild in our own right.
That being said several of the officers and activity coordinators have been getting bombarded with tells asking why they haven’t been able to raid with the group when we go into ICC. There are accusations of favoritism, or snubbing, and other malicious things being strewn about. It is too much drama for a group of people who are supposed to be brothers and sisters in the Lord.
As an Activity Coordinator I’d like to set a few things straight.
1. Raiding in Redeemed is not our priority, if all you want to raid every night kill the Lich King then move onto Ruby Sanctum with epic level players who constantly down everything first pull without mistakes and with little preparation, Redeemed is not for you. There are many hard core raiding guilds on Stonemaul alone that would be willing to take your level of epic-ness and put it to good use.
2. Many people think that because we’re a Christian Guild we need to bend over backwards so that they can get into a raid, be they under geared, inexperienced, or one of the multiple other reasons that other non-Christian guilds won’t take them. This is a mistake to think like that. When a Christian school recruits for its football team they don’t take everyone, they take only those who they believe have a chance at helping the team win. While we aren’t as strict as that, on our raids we need to be, or else people begin to pay for it, in gold, wasted time, and eventually temperament.
3. Progression raids are to advance things that the guild hasn’t seen before, that means we take who we consider the best that are on at the time and try and make it work. Want to know how to become the best at your class? Look on the forums or talk to a class leader or A.C. for spec’s, have a computer that doesn’t lag every ten seconds, be on time and sober when you raid so you can think clearly, study the fights we might do before hand so you ‘re not surprised when the mobs suddenly start doing the funky chicken dance, keep aware of what’s going on in the raid so that you can make those split second changes that mean the difference between the life and death of your toon because one character down in a progression raid has the chance to wipe us all, make sure the gear you’ve got is the best you can get before going into the raid, make sure your gems and enchants are up to snuff. All of the answers to these things can be found on multiple forums, in multiple places. Every Vet has to do this, and then meet the requirements to DPS hard, Heal super well, and tank like a machine; which takes a lot of practice and studying. The Vets are those people who want to be hard core raiders, and could have moved on to hard core raiding guilds and downed the newest boss the first night it comes out, but choose not too because of the love of fellowship this fine guild has to offer.
4. Non-Progression raids are to help people experience a new part of WoW, and they get to experience this new part of WoW over and over again. We work to gear people who want to come, but more than that, we do it because it’s fun. When we wipe half the time I’m laughing because of the silliness of it. When we get far, I’m proud of it because of what we’ve accomplished together. If you want to be a vet, these are the trenches you need to be fighting in to get those votes that get you into progression, for some it’s harder than others. Not all classes are made equal, and not all computers can handle the strain of high end raids. However if you can’t get into a non-progression raid, you’ll have to wait. We can’t take everyone, and we’ll try and take whoever we can in order to get the raid moving. I’ve been in 10 man icc’s with the guild where we wipe five times on Marrowgar because we didn’t have the right group, and this was last month, not when the raid first came out.
5. The order of people we take are as follows.
a. main vets
b. mains (check left behind list) (gear, is their gear score high enough for them to go?)
c. class selection enters in
d. raid leader discretion
e. probation
f. rolls
Looking at the list above you’ll notice that the first thing we take is what we need to finish the raid we’re on. If a probation ranged dps alt is what we need over a Vet melee DPS the ranged alt goes because that’s what we need. Raiding is a privilege not a right. The bible does not say “Thou shall pwn adds and then go forth and slay bosses so thou can receive thine epic loots. “ If you are dropped from a raid because we cannot use you, don’t feel bad, after you leave always WL add the raid leader once more so they can add you to the wait list, and try and get you in as soon as possible. We work to try and get as many people into the raids as possible, and sometimes we have more dps heals or tanks than we need.
6. Poor performance: If you go on a raid and seem to be having trouble in the raid and later are passed over; ask your class leader or the raid leader if there is something you can do make your toon more viable for raiding. Sometimes you have a bad night and you accidentally cause a wipe, or just can’t seem to get the strat down; make sure you let the raid leaders know that you’re aware you made a mistake and learned from it or that you’re having a problem. We are a patient lot, and will do what we can to help you.
7. On a not wholly unrelated note: Stop causing drama, stop spreading drama, enjoy the fellowship. This isn’t high school. While there are a lot of people here I’m almost certain that the median age of our guild is well into its twenties. If you have an issue with something that’s happened bring it up to the person you’re having an issue with, if they are not receptive then do one of two things. Turn the other cheek and ignore it, or get an officer involved. Most things that happen in our guild happen because of misunderstandings that can be worked out between two people acting like grown adults or with an intermediary. As always talking it out with the person you’re upset with is always preferred.
