Abortion

Jango

Jango

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I am personally disgusted by it. I hope that abortion is outlawed. Really, if someone's girlfriend gets pregnant, that's their fault for not waiting, and not being safe. If you must not use protection, you should at least put the baby up for adoption, instead of killing it. Of course, if a women is raped, and the killer is stupid enough to not use protection, and she got pregnant, that is the only time I would come close to supporting it. So, what are you thoughts?
 
Suppose a man goes out and tries to kill his pregnant wife. His wife somehow survives, but the baby dies. If someone agrees aboriton is ok, and morally justified, they must agree that there is no murder committed in such a situation. I'm sure there are people who argue there is no murder committed in such a situation, but (to all of your guys surprise) I believe it to be wrong. I think it would be wrong even if you argue at it from outside a christian perspective.
 
I'm not going to enter into the whole abortion debate just now, but I will point out that I think it's inconsistent to say that abortion immoral unless the woman was raped. Surely, if you think that terminating a pregnancy equates to murder, the woman's responisibility (or lack of it, in the case of rape) should have no bearing on the morality of killing an infant in-utero?

On the subject of consistency, check out the work of Peter Singer, who apparantly doesn't believe in any inherent sancitiy of life as most people perceive it. Keyword being inherent, keep in mind. I'm not necessarily endorsing his ideas, but from what I've heard of them, they seem at least ethically consistent, even if 'treading on dangerous ground.'
 
yes she did...

she made the choice to possibly put her self in that situation

most of all rapes are date-rapes and can be avoided.

Ultimately it is the womans choice.

maybe not to have sex. to put her self in a situation were she could be raped though is.
 
Be careful not to blame the victim. The rapist had a choice...rape her or not. He choose to do so. Often, what they wear or how they look has very little to do with the choice to rape somebody. Rape is more often then not, a crime of convenience.

Personally, I am not for abortion except when the mothers life is at risk because of the pregnancy. The line becomes very blurred at that point, let the mother die although she has children at home to take care of or terminate the pregnancy. Very tough and the facts of each case would have to be weighed very carefully.

Pregnancy due to rape is very, very, very rare, unless it goes unreported. If one does report the rape, the rape kit administered in the hospital often kills any chance of pregnancy. That means that almost all the pregnancies due to rape happened because the victim made a foolish choice and did not report it immediatly.
 
having a child growing in me at the moment, I can say that I would never kill an unborn baby. For those who do not want to raise kids from rape or just not planning, there always is adoption. Many people cannot have kids of their own and many more abuse the privledge. Very rarely is abortion done to save the mother's life. And that's the mother's call to make. I know after a child is born many woman would give their life for their kid. I'm not sure how strong the bond is beforehand, but I'm telling you I'm feeling this alive being inside me and longing to see it very soon. I love my baby even though it's not born yet.
 
I'm not going to enter this debate. Jango, I guess you're relatively new to this forum, so I'll just let you know one thing -- abortion topics should be left alone (on all). They become tediously long, very heated, and no one ever changes their minds.

Don't take me the wrong way -- I'm not trying to tell you what you can and cannot do. I'm just giving a word to the wise...
 
I'm split on the matter...I can see both sides of the arguement as being feasible. But I do tend to lean toward abortion being wrong...very case sensitive issue tho, which is why I'm still split.
 
Abortion really is a touchy issue. I personally view all of its supporters as murderers. I think the reasons it is so touchy is that you cannot help one without hurting the other.
 
trolling i think not.

if you actually look at most rape cases they could of been avoided by the female.

Not saying the guy is not responsible too.

Where i live 90% of all rapes that are reported happen because the female went to a club and decided to drink to much or put her self in the situation.

Now does this leave all blame on the female no

The guy very well could of actually pretend he had half a brain and realized what he was doing was wrong.

Honestly if i was allowed to do what i wanted to rapist. they would never commit another rape again.
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thats just my oppion though.
 
Please provide some source for these claims, they seem incredible. I don't know where you get your figures for your own area, but even assuming that 90% of rape occurs in clubs, ask yourself, did the woman go to the club wanting or even expecting to be raped? Saying that she had a choice to not get raped contradicts the term rape itself. Someone who is drinking and at a club is as responsible for any rape committed against them as aeroplane passengers are responsible for having their aircraft high-jacked.
 
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Quote[/b] (LionOfJudah @ April 28 2004,7:33)]Where i live 90% of all rapes that are reported happen because the female went to a club and decided to drink to much or put her self in the situation.
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Wouldn't that be the same as saying this supposed 90% of rapes occur because men take advantage of women?

If you want to turn this into a crusade against drinking its one thing, but you're starting to sound ignorant with these "women put themselves in these situations comments" =/
 
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if you actually look at most rape cases they could of been avoided by the female.

Not saying the guy is not responsible too.
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This really just sounds like rationilization to me. So are you saying that it is a women's fault that when she is up in the bathroom a man inserts a date-rape drug in her drink? You may say, "Well, she shouldn't have drank in the first place." What if she just had water?
 
if the plane i was on was hi-jacked i would try to stop it.

yet girls still go to clubs and drink even when they know the dangers and the high % in the area here.

That is like playing with a snake. you may not get bit the first time but if you keep at it long enough you will.

No i am not in anyway saying it is just the womans fualt if you actually read the rest of the post i do realize guys at clubs see many things
Intoxicated girls
Girls in short and revealing outfits
Beautiful girls.

not usually a good mix for guys in general. even deadlier for a guy at a club.

This is just my oppion of the area i live in though

Most guys who go to clubs go there to try to go home and have sex that night. i know. i worked at them.

The saddest thing is that the club owners are not really doing anything because of the stance most of you seem to be taking.

Well its not her fault she got raped. She just had a few drinks.

Drinking is not wrong in no way am i saying that.

For pete's sake people need to take responablities for thier own actions. ON BOTH ends.

Yes the female is the victum i feel for her. i also wonder though if she could have avoided it. (by the way a really close friend of mine was raped in Highschool and she could of avoided it said so her self)

I guess you can just write me off as some raving lunatic in your book. doesnt matter much to me what you people think of me.
 
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yet girls still go to clubs and drink even when they know the dangers and the high % in the area here.
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Where would they hear that? Do they have a sign on the door saying, "NOTICE: Women beware, high chance of being raped."
 
if you watch the news or pick up a paper. you would hear about "that"

i am sure any business owner would love to advertise hey come here and you will get raped.

Or

Hey come to my shop and you can get shot!

Yeah use common sense before we post and try to use the space between our ears.
 
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