Arcane symbolism

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Magnifying glasses can be used to burn people...are those offensive? Hardly...they're tools.
The cross is supposed to be an icon of opposition to those of demonic influence...vamps, ghouls, ghasts, demons, the Zombi, and whatnot.
I think playing the game is fine. Just don't get obsessed with it. People twist symbols to mean different things. Take the Christians. The cross is the symbol of Christ's death right? The icon of hope? Well, to Jews, a "shape with a horizontal line placed over the middle of a vertical line" is a profane, blasphemous symbol, as I read in a few Jewish accounts of the Crusades. So it's profane to Jews, but awesome to Christians...what now? Who's to say we're wrong and they're right, or vice versa?

Take it with a grain of salt.
 
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Quote[/b] ]Magnifying glasses can be used to burn people...are those offensive? Hardly...they're tools.
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Yes! It's offensive (to me) to be used in such a way. The intent is obviously to harm.

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Quote[/b] ]Who's to say we're wrong and they're right, or vice versa?
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I don't think I ever said anyone was right or wrong. What I stated was a personal opinion that I find certain uses of things as offensive.

Ultimately, God is the Judge of what is and is not offensive.
 
Towards the end of the post I was branching out...are Christians right for using the cross? Was it okay for a Jew to die on a profane symbol? Does that taint His perfection? Are Jews right not to look at crosses or draw them, or use them in affiliation with the Messiah, since, according to Jews, God's yet to come by in his physical form.
Sounds to me that we're in stalemate.
And as for the magnifying glass...you're offended if they're used to harm people? ANYTHING can be used to harm people. Some things are meant SPECIFICALLY to hardm people...are you offended that the military's out there hurting people? I'm sure that a bullet through the thigh stings like heck...and one through the head might be kind of mean of us to do...in fact I find that downright offensive that they're protecting themselves and us.
Okay that kinda went off on a rant, but my point is this: anything can be used to hurt, or to help. Magnifying glasses are used to look at things in a bigger perspective. Then some psycho comes along and uses the glass to burn an ant into oblivion...who's wrong? The glassmaker or the psycho?
 
As a Christian I have been brought up to believe that Ouija boards and Tarot cards have demonic properties and we should stay as far away as we can from them. In the same way we should stray from all symbols of the Devil
 
I LOATH EVIL
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, but I find pentagrams in games to be wrong out of my own deliberation, not simply because someone says so.
 
Ultima, of course...it's the one yielding the item, not the item itself. But now Moody has brought up an excellent point. I believe there are some objects that, just in their nature, are things we should never even consider having anywhere within our home. The items that make up those things are not bad, but their representation IS.
 
I'll start off by saying this, did you know that there is a swachtica inside the original nose cap of the Spirit of St. Lewis?!?!?!?! What's that you say? That american plane? That famous american plane? Yes, exactly, that famous american plane. But why? is what you are thinking huh? I'll tell you why, because it was an indian sign for good luck! Yes! the indians used it as a sign of good luck! Although later on Hitler went and used this very same symbol and made it a symbol that everyone hates, because he used this symbol everywhere. Ouija brards are actually quite demonic. I've never used one, but I know people that have. They say they will never touch one again, because the piece really moved without them pushing it. As far as pentagrams go, it's pretty much opionated, I dont' really see a problem with them personally. Like Mr.Eon said they are only wards for sealing off evil or warding off evil. If you have any other definition then that's ok, but I haven't seen a demonic meaning of the pentagon yet. There also seems to be a lack of the knowledge of where these symbols originate, and what they truly mean. I suggest that some people do a little more research before posting again. Not to be mean, but just so that you know what you are talking about and are not running on an opinion "cause everyone else thinks it." To those of you who know what these symbols mean, just pass over this part of my post, and I thank you for knowing what you are talking about.

God Bless
-ChaosSniper
 
Pentacle = Pentacle

Check this out, and educate yourselves. I have found that everyone here is right in a way, but nobody has been completely right.

God Bless
-ChaosSniper

P.S.
Thankx for the site referance Kidan, it taught me more then I originaly knew.
 
Sniper, are you saying if something is good then that's the correct interpretation? My whole point is that it's in the representation. If the Indian's used a swastika for good luck, then good (although I don't believe in luck). But that doesn't mean we throw away Hitler's use. It's still used that way today.

Regarding pentagrams, ChaosSniper wrote:
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Quote[/b] ]Like Mr.Eon said they are only wards for sealing off evil or warding off evil. If you have any other definition then that's ok, but I haven't seen a demonic meaning of the pentagon yet.
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Even at that level of definition, I don't like it. You are giving power to an object, and that's just plain wrong. Now don't get me started on garlic!
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(...again, it's the use, in this case, that's offensive.)
 
*notes that if you read the posted links you can find evidence of demonic representation for pentagrams; starting from the 20th century*
 
I'm not saying that at all S^2, what i'm trying to do is to inform the people on this forum, they think the swashtica is bad, and always was. That is completely untrue, it was a good luck symbol. If you don't believe in luck then that's good, but that's not the point here, now is it? Like I said, I had only hear of the pentagram being used to seal and ward off evil, although after reading the link I posted (thanks to kidan) I learned a few new meanings for the pentagram. For instance if you have the pentagram with one point upwards it means something completely diffenrent then if you invert the pentagram so that 2 points are upwards. Things like the upside down pentagram is what teh wiccans and occult have adopted as their symbol, not the 1 point upward pentagram. Also, when you are talking about pentagrams in video games, you have to take into consideration of the time period that the game is portraying, for instance diablo2, I find it hilarouls that diablo uses a pentagram, because at that time around the medieval period the pentagram was a ward off of evil, placed on houses around the door and windows to ward off evil and nightmares. The pentagram was even used by early christians, Yes, that's right christians used this symbol aslo. I'm not trying to defend the pentagram in general, so don't get me wrong, but the context in which the pentagram is used depneds on it's entire meaning. What I really want to see is that everyone educate yourselves on the pentagram before posting again, I'm seeing alot of ignorant posts with opinions that have no backing, because they haven't researched the pentagram. Also, a swashtica on a pokemon card, come on, how lame can you get. It may have been a miss print or mabye someone noticed it in the random coloring of the background, so please, no idiotic comments like that again, please. If everyone did some research before making their opinion, they may find that the pentagram is ok in some uses, but it all depends on context, and the way it looks. Who knows, you may actually find out that you think it's funny when you see the next pentagram in a video game, but that will only happen if you educate yourself on the topic and understand it before you make a solid decision on it.

God Bless
-ChaosSniper
 
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Quote[/b] (ChaosSniper @ May 21 2003,9:31)]. Also, a swashtica on a pokemon card, come on, how lame can you get. It may have been a miss print or mabye someone noticed it in the random coloring of the background, so please, no idiotic comments like that again, please
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Actually its quite apparent.  Even though its a backwards swastica for good luck people got angry and made them stop printing the card.  Which was only printed in Japaneese.  I knew that it was a backwards swasticka  when I posted and I knew that it ment good luck I just didn't want to say it. I was too lazy and didn't think it pertinent.

http://www.geocities.com/swastika_webring/pokemon.htm

See for yourself ^
 
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Quote[/b] ]I knew that it was a backwards swasticka when I posted and I knew that it ment good luck I just didn't want to say it.
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Tsk tsk

God Bless
-ChaosSniper
 
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Quote[/b] ]I'm not saying that at all S^2, what i'm trying to do is to inform the people on this forum,
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OK. Cool. I was just trying to get a feel for what it really was you were saying. That's why I asked it as a question.

I like your abbreviation for my name.
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thankx, S^2, but I don't really know any other way to make it with a keyboard
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God Bless
-ChaosSniper
 
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