Christians practicing martial arts

Sassamo

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I've been thinking about taking classes, probably karate or taekwondo. My intents are to supplement going to the gym to better get in shape, learn how to better defend myself should the absolute need arise, and to improve my self-discipline, hopefully affecting all areas of my life(diet, exercise, tv, bible, prayer, church, family). I knew there was a hint of other religions mixed in, but I thought I could exclude that well enough from my training. I did a quick glance around to see some basic christian thoughts on this and found one opinion that at the least opened my eyes a little to give it some more serious thought:
CHRISTIAN KARATE by L.D Jarrard

"Doug Jarrard was an 11-year member of the martial arts before Jesus Christ pulled him out of the world of karate. A former 2nd degree black belt, a U.S.K.A. nationally rated competitor, and 6 years teaching karate. This background qualifies him to be able to share with you the truth about karate.

John 8:32 "YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE."

Karate, compared to any other worldly activity, has both good and bad in it, depending on who is in charge and how it is being taught. But one has to make a distinction between the ways, pleasures and standards of the world; and the ways, pleasures and standards of God. Compare it to a Christian trying to run a tavern, the two don't go together... it's like trying to blend oil and water -they just don't mix. Jesus asked in Mark 8:36, "For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole WORLD, and lose his own soul?" We are in the world but not of the world. Paul writes in II Cor. 6:17, "Wherefore come out from among them and be ye separate, saith the Lord..."
With this in mind the author is exhorting Christians to choose between the ways of the world or the ways of God. People in the world can choose to live their lives anyway they want to, but when you meet Jesus Christ, are washed in His blood and stand in the presence of the Almighty God, it's a whole new ballgame.
Hosea 4:6 states, "My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge." Most ministers are ignorant of the history and origin the martial arts. We have a tendency in America to think we can clean up or Americanize anything and God will accept it. It is impossible to clean up satan and his demon spirits. John 10:10 states, "The thief cometh not but for to steal, kill and destroy." Satan is the destroyer. Karate, judo and other fighting arts are still taught and practiced as religion in their own countries. Many Christians try to exclude meditation when they practice. But that's like breaking off one thorn from the whole bush and leaving the rest. It would be well to note that the meditation part in my 11-year karate history was less than 1/8 of 1 percent. So you can see it has a very small part in most American taught karate schools. It is the constant repetition of breaking, kicking, tearing, striking, punching and crippling techniques that develop the skill to maim or kill someone. The symbolic rituals, the passed down defensive moves, the uniform, the terminology, the kata forms (pre-arranged series of punches or kicks in a connected pattern), are all part of a system of religion on earth that pre-dates our Lord Jesus by about 3000 years.
Karate originated about 527 A.D. through a weaponless form of self-defense and had probably existed in China about 5,000 years ago. The Indian Buddhist and monk, Bodhidharma, who also was called, Taishe Daruma, and was the 28th in a line of succession from the Buddha or Siddhartha Gautama, traveled by foot over the Himalayas to the province of Honan in China. He was the founder of Zen Buddhism in China.
Daruma started teaching his methods of physical fitness in tune with mental fitness in tune with the harmony of nature. It was based on eighteen exercises called shih pa lo han sho. It was a kind of callisthenic in slow motion.
The monks became formidable fighters. Their kind of fighting, called ch'uan-fa or kempo (the fist way) is the ancestor of karate. Sometime around 1300 A.D., the exercises were consolidated and seventy-two body and fist forms were derived.
In his travels, Daruma had studied various animals. He incorporated the defenses of five animals into shih pa lo han sho-the crane, the leopard, the dragon, the snake and the tiger. He watched how the crane would bow with one leg and strike with the other. The leopard was stealthy. The dragon had crushing power. The snake was illusive, but had timing and knew when to strike. The tiger had slashing power.
The slow movements and movements from nature resulted in about 170 forms which spread over China. They were used around 1880 by monks to protect themselves from bandits who preyed upon travelers. By that time, they were known as karate.
A form of weaponless defense called tode or fist way had developed in Okinawa. Different areas named the particular style of fist way they used for the island on which it was used. Finally, all of the styles came to be called "kara te" or China hand. The Japanese changed the character for the "Kara" to another one meaning "empty", during this century, and that's what karate means now, "empty hand." Psalms 48:10 states, "THY RIGHT HAND IS FULL OF RIGHTEOUSNESS." The karateman's total body is a weapon ... head, elbows, arms, hands, legs and feet. Paul wrote in Eph. 6:15, " ... AND YOUR FEET SHOD WITH THE PREPARATION OF PEACE."
Christian karate makes about as much sense as Christian pornography, or Christian prostitution, or Christian drug abuse. The Word of God instructs us not to bring the unclean thing into our "home." It is an abomination. We can change a few words in describing karate, tone it down to make it desirable and acceptable in the public eye; but it still doesn't change the fact that it is a centuries old form of Eastern religion. Many of the hand and body movements are strikingly similar and often identical to the movements of pagan rituals and dances performed in Asian, Oriental, African and Polynesian temple worship today. Satan is so cunning and deceiving. He slips in under our ignorant noses and roots himself deeply in our culture and even in our churches; and after he has operated for so long a time, we accept his ways as God's ways.
It doesn't take much insight to see that when the karate craze (Mid-to-early 60's through 70's) swept our country it was coupled with other satanic assaults. There was a direct attack on the minds of the young people of America. Martial arts came with the rock and roll explosion, the drug revolution, the sexual freedom of choice movement and the rekindled interest in occult phenomena. While you were fighting sex, drugs, acid rock and roll and the occults from your pulpits; karate wedged its way into our society-unseen and unknown by all of the highly trained theological eyes.
I got involved in karate because I needed a boost for my ego. Like a lot of insecure people in the world, I wasn't a Christian then. I wanted the feeling of power that karate can command----that any martial arts commands, judo, karate, jujitsu, ken-do; it doesn't matter. Each one stems from the same basic thing. Each one "commands" an area of power and respect. Not as I would respect an elderly gentlemen or an artist or a great composer. It is not that kind of respect. It is the kind of respect you would have for a loaded 45. Or the kind of respect you would have for a cobra that was about three feet away from you. You respect it not because you know what it is, but because you are afraid of it.
In those days, nobody knew that much about tournament play. Our instructor had learned karate in Okinawa, and the Okinawans did not free style, for there was no sport karate in the Orient. At a match in Okinawa, the masters would form a ring maybe six feet in diameter. The opponents would stand inside that ring and punch and kick each other as hard as they could until one man fell. When he fell, the masters would drag him out of the ring. The man left standing would be the winner. This is the only free style fighting the Orientals knew. They did not know free style sparring.
Even this was a very mild version of what the martial arts were really designed for. The word "martial" comes from the word military or "fighting arts." A more accurate term would be "killing arts."
About 500 years ago the famous King Hashi succeeded in uniting the Ryukyu Islands into one kingdom. To insure rule by law, all weapons were seized from the people and it was made a crime against the state to possess any weapons. About 200 years later Okinawa became a part of the Satruma clan of Kyushu, and a second ban on weapons was declared. During these centuries that Okinawa was occupied by these Japanese War lords the art of empty-handed fighting, now known as karate, (kara-empty, te-hand) underwent its most advanced development to date. Through their many years of secret practice, the Okinawans became so proficient that they could attack and destroy the other soldiers with their "bare hands." Their weapons (hands, feet, fists, etc.) were as effective as any other weapon of that day, and in the 16th Century they attacked and over-threw the small Japanese occupational force.
A rose by any other name is a rose. You can change its color, but it is still a rose. Karate is a religious killing art. You can change its name, make it socially acceptable, even Americanize it; but it does not change what it is. Remember, it was started by the man who introduced Zen Buddhism to China. Auto racing, football, hockey, basketball and even boxing are competitive sports. Although people have been killed participating in them; death is not the purpose of the game. You cannot turn a killing art into a sport. Can a Christian really practice the art of killing and call it fun?
A tremendous change takes place in the spirit of man during the approximate 4 years it takes one to earn his black belt. Many hours of repetitious kicking, punching, blocking, striking, soon blends and welds the mind and body together as one. Your spirit man is pushed aside and a new egotistical soulish man (mind and body) takes over. Your reactions become the immediate acting out of your thoughts--- a swift, powerful, deadly killing machine. The ultimate purpose of many people in karate is to be able to maim, cripple or kill.
JESUS CHRIST SAID IN JOHN 10:10-THE THIEF (SATAN) COMETH NOT, BUT FOR TO STEAL, AND TO KILL AND TO DESTROY: I AM COME THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE LIFE AND HAVE IT MORE ABUNDANTLY!
The nature of man in his unsaved state is a dark, "Black" nature. He is cleansed by the blood of Jesus and made clean, pure, "White," a new born again creature in Christ. Many start in karate as a "WHITE" belt (innocent) and end up a "BLACK" belt and morally polluted because of their new found power, a reversal in God's Plan for mankind. Many students are in subjection to the higher belts to be lorded over and must bow down to them. EX. 23:24 THOU SHALL NOT BOW DOWN TO THEIR GODS. The highest belts 7th through 10th degree black belts are called master. MATT. 23:10 NEITHER BE YE CALLED MASTERS FOR ONE IS YOUR MASTER EVEN CHRIST. The skilled karateman is soon deceived into thinking that he is a superior type of human being, above the laws of the land and above the laws of God.
The symbol for many karate schools today is the snake or serpent. The worldwide universal symbol for karate is the dragon. A quick study in the 3rd chapter of Genesis tells us all about the serpent and his role of deceit in the Garden of Eden. And in Revelation 12:9, we read, AND THE GREAT "DRAGON" WAS CAST OUT. THAT OLD "SERPENT" THE "DEVIL" AND "SATAN," WHICH DECEIVETH THE WHOLE WORLD.
How can a Christian attach himself to anything that openly endorses the dragon symbol? The bible from Genesis to Revelation clearly instructs and commands us to abstain from all appearances of evil. 2 Corinthians 6:14 BE YE NOT UNEQUALLY YOKED TOGETHER WITH UNBELIEVERS; FOR WHAT FELLOWSHIP HATH RIGHTEOUSNESS WITH THE UNRIGHTEOUS? AND WHAT COMMUNION HATH LIGHT WITH DARKNESS?
The church has to lay down its socially oriented platform and pick up the holiness of God to teach this truth. My heart would break as Pastor after Pastor would tell me how they would draw many young people, and even whole families into their churches through karate demonstrations. Many would mock and laugh as they told me how they even had karate classes taught in their churches.
As we see the present condition of our world it is not hard to understand that God is calling for the church to make herself ready. Eph. 5 tells that Jesus will wash and cleanse the church with the Word so He can present it to Himself - a glorious church not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Karate as well as other martial arts are blemishes, unholy spots and wrinkles that have to be washed out by the church."
© 1979-2006 L.D. Jarrard
After thinking about it, I would find it hard to acknowledge the ranking systems, bowing down before others each class and calling them my master. Plus, though I originally thought of the different sequences performed as being a type of discipline, is it really ok to learn and mimic other religion's rituals? I know there's self-defense classes I can go to, to learn a few basic techniques, and I can just up my time at the gym, but I was really liking the idea of having a single discipline I could train at and improve on. What is everyone else's thoughts and suggestions on the topic?
 
Just a couple of quick thoughts:

There are Christian martial arts traveling troops that would disagree with the person you cited. They use martial arts to share the truth and power of God very effectively.

My sons and I had a great time for a year or more taking a Christian martial arts class. We actually had to memorize scripture to advance to higher levels. We grew closer to each other and to God - and they grew in self-esteem and confidence.

Not everyone who takes karate becomes a "swift, powerful, deadly killing machine." Some just get in better shape.

I think your original statement, "...improve my self-discipline, hopefully affecting all areas of my life," is a fine reason to take up something like karate. You don't have to sell your soul to discipline your body.

Beware of people who have extreme experiences, positive or negative, and therefore think no one should ever...whatever - or that everyone must...whatever.

I have other thoughts - but I'll let other people chime in.
 
If it bothers your conscience then don't do it.

I personally have no issue with it. And I've always understood and had it explained to me that the martial arts are a form of defense (also described as such in the article you posted). If it is designed for self-defense then those who practice to maim and kill are the ones who are to blame, not the martial art.

My primary concern would be going to an academy where they do promote Eastern religion and philosophy. There are plenty out there that don't (at least in my area).
 
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Interesting... my thoughts (quickly):
-Because the English translators used the word "dragon" now any use of the symbol for any thing is evil 100% of the time? Please, I don't buy that for a second.
-the white/black reference is really dramatic and I love how he says the belt system is a reversal in God's plan for mankind? NOT
-karate came into this Country "snuck in" while Rock n Roll misdirected everyone's attention. LOL
-Whats wrong with a Christian running a tavern? Heck I'm sure there are very Godly Pastors running bars and holding church there on Sunday. White Horse Inn anyone?

I dunno, so far people have been nice to L.D. Jarrard but I am pretty much not liking this guy's article whatsoever. He is legalistic to the extreme and is making fanatical claims. He looks like a fool to me and I feel he is attacking all actions and not really addressing the heart. Christ came to set us free not trap us to teachings like this guy.

I agree with the reply to let your conscience be your guide here, but not this writer, L.D. Jarrard...
You have much freedom and liberty as a Son of God, if you Love God and your heart is after His, then do what you want man.

lol he got me worked up a bit there, but I am over it now. I guess that was his point.
 
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In my humble opinion: what the man says is very foolish and nothing that he did say was backed up by scripture.

But your own unease about all of this and that you give any credence to that article at all is what really concerns me. :|
You really think practicing punching people will open your heart to demons? Or that Christians who are trained martial artists are comparable to Christians who run brothels?(Were there such a thing...)

If so, I think the subject of martial arts is the least of your problems. :|
 
I agree that article as a whole was a bit over the top! I may be conservative, but I can't stand when ultra-conservatives preach their extra-biblical standards as biblical truths. I also agree that if I felt it wrong to do, it would be a sin for me to do it, but that doesn't mean one can't change their understanding to believe something is ok and then be able to do it. Like I said, most of it seemed fine to me, just questions certain things such as callinng someone else master, or performing other religion's 'rituals'. Both of these I don't think really apply directly here, as long as I keep my focus in the right place. I will have to see if there are any christian based academies in this area, but if not, I'll have to check out what all is involved in any classes that are available.
 
I largely disagree with that article having been involved in a Christian martial arts group. My reasons are...

1. The Bible does not forbid violence under any circumstance see large portions of the old testament. The writer seems to think it does. I guess he doesn't believe in having a Police force either as many Police learn Martial Arts to do their job.

2. Martial Arts are not all "Killing Arts". The term has come to include many styles that specifically have techniques for restraining opponents not killing them. Like those techniques Police learn. Akido springs to mind as it's founder's goal was to create an art that practitioners could use to defend themselves while also protecting their attacker from injury. Though I will mention Akido has religious parts to it which probably explains why it's founder cared about his enemies to begin with.

3. There are religious roots in many martial arts that one should be wary of but not all of them. Off the top of my head parts of boxing are taught in marital arts (contrary to that article) and then there is Krav Maga. Also having learned the meanings attached to many of the forms of Tae-Kwon-Do a couple of them certainly have religious ones but the majority do not. Quite frankly you could attach any meaning you wanted to them because none of the movements form a pentagram or some religious symbol. Even if it did I think the verse on eating meat meant for idols applies here. If you are just eating food/just learning to fight and not believing in some religious meaning there is nothing wrong with it.

4. It is my opinion that science came out a religious background. If you look in the past people who observed nature they explained what phenomenon's they could but gave the rest mythical backgrounds. This seems to apply to Ki. Ki is mostly about controlling your center of balance (and breathing) before the term was created or understood. In fact they teach the center of your Ki to be exactly where your center of balance is located. It true it's been taken to silly religious levels of life force oneness but ki manipulation has a basis in science before the study of science existed.

5. I competed in Karate point sparing and it was a test of skill and ability. You could be disqualified for drawing blood so it certainly wasn't about hurting anyone.

6. Frankly words without actions are completely, totally, utterly meaningless to me. Being able to beat someone in combat means I also have the option to spare them. Yes sometimes you don't fight you even may die for a enemy in the hope of saving them but other times you need to fight if your enemy, or others, have any hope of being saved. There is a time for everything under heaven.

7. I never called my Teacher master in fact he didn't like it since he was a Christian he told me not to. I think we should only eschew the term though. It's not wrong unless you hold your earthly master above your heavenly one. The Bible says you can't have two masters but the point is simply to hold God above all else. Also the word itself is used in many contexts, with different meanings, with different degrees.

8. I would have been more likely to kill someone before I trained in marital arts. Before training I would have had to get mad to deal with a situation now I'm a little more capable and feel I wouldn't have to rely on that. It doesn't take training to bite off someone's nose or gouge out their eyes but the discipline of training can restrain that.
 
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I'll be honest, the article was tl;dr. The author's standpoint seems far over-the-top and taking things seriously out of context.

Submitting to your superior (or other authority) is demanded of us in the Bible (Matthew 22:21"Give to Caesar what it's Caesar's, give to God what is God's"). If I were a journeyman carpenter, I would still submit to the master carpenter. Using a title such as "master" does not mean that they dominate your life, it indicates respect for authority.

The verse about serving two masters (Matthew 6:24"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money") is taken severely out of context here. The message that Jesus is trying to convey is that nothing can be more important to us than God. But submitting to a figure of authority or higher education/training/skill is not the same thing. The rich man that was talking to Jesus in Matthew 6 was so hung up on his worldly possessions that he could not take the first step of faith.

Lastly, regarding Gerbil's reference in point #3 about meat - 1 Cor 8

1Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that we all possess knowledge.[a] Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. 2The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. 3But the man who loves God is known by God.

4So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but one. 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

7But not everyone knows this. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat such food they think of it as having been sacrificed to an idol, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.

9Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 10For if anyone with a weak conscience sees you who have this knowledge eating in an idol's temple, won't he be emboldened to eat what has been sacrificed to idols? 11So this weak brother, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. 12When you sin against your brothers in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall.

It's hard to pull a single verse and get the context of the entire chapter, so I've quoted the whole thing. It boils down to this: if you understand that the "master" is just "teacher" (not Master or Teacher - subtle but important difference), then you are fine to study under them. If they go into balance, meditation, breathing exercises... these are all things that are designed to test your skills, abilities, focus, etc. Meditation is honestly little more than deep relaxation and turning off your brain; in some cases it can be extremely deep thought or pondering. The "Ohms" (or whatever audible noise they may teach) is just white noise to help with a distraction from outside influences. You're not worshiping Buddha by meditating. In fact, meditation is taught in the Bible (See Genesis 24:63, Joshua 1:8, and Psalms 1:2, 39:3, 48:9, 77:12, 8 verses in Psalm 119, Ps 143:5, and Ps 145:5.)

tl:dr - do it for the right reasons, keep your focus on God, your heart pure...and you have nothing to worry about. "master" is just another name for "teacher".
 
Karate is pretty much secular here unless you take it up at some temple or the local chinese association. It is a fighting style, just a means of combat. Heck why would anyone want to learn it when we got weapons? Anyway, point is, once people start gaining culture they kinda influence their religious beliefs on their daily life, secularism didn't exist back in the day. And since the Chinese have been using martial arts for 4k, maybe 5k years, like any other primitive combat method, relied heavily on tribal magic. As time passed it probably just got less of the hocus pocus and more of the actual slugging it out :p
 
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Karate is pretty much secular here unless you take it up at some temple or the local chinese association. It is a fighting style, just a means of combat. Heck why would anyone want to learn it when we got weapons? Anyway, point is, once people start gaining culture they kinda influence their religious beliefs on their daily life, secularism didn't exist back in the day. And since the Chinese have been using martial arts for 4k, maybe 5k years, like any other primitive combat method, relied heavily on tribal magic. As time passed it probably just got less of the hocus pocus and more of the actual slugging it out :p

The reason one would want to learn a martial art, even though we have weapons is, if you have a gun, but I'm within 5 feet of you, that gun isn't going to be much use. The advantage of a gun is range. Likewise, if you have a knife, but you aren't trained with it, I have a MUCH greater chance of winning if I do have training, than if I didn't. The weapon does not make the man, it's just a tool that helps. The weapon, however, does not help if you don't have it out. Fights where you would need a weapon almost never happen when you have it drawn, ready to go. They will attack you when you aren't ready, and you always have your hands out, so you can hopefully hold them off long enough to get the gun/knife/etc. out.

I'm not learning karate, I'm learning a very small amount of filipino martial arts, and may go on to learn more. For me it's not about learning to kill someone with my bare hands or just being better than the guy next to me, I want to learn to defend myself, and others. Yes, there is lethal force in some martial arts, and those lethal forces have their place, but that's not the primary goal. That man's article had a lot of his own opinions, and Scripture taken out of context. You can support almost anything if you take Scripture out of context.
 
I don't think it is bad... I do western martial arts and jousting and all I have to do is think on the armour of God and the shape of a sword!
 
True, scripture can be taken out of context and bent whatever way the writer wants to. Anyway, if you found a super awesome way to crack someone's jawbone with one flick of a finger in the right spot, what would you call it? 'Wrath of God' comes to mind.
Over the years, back when people were still waging wars in this primitive technique, they would call down their 'gods' to do their bidding, and fighting moves and religion get mixed. So even if it is taught in Chinese temples and associated with all the pagan practices, you can still isolate the science of the sport, and just work on that.

As for me, I'd stick to the gun under my pillow if I live in a dangerous place :D
 
A local pastor I know teaches karate to the kids at the church and the surrounding neighbors. Its a great outreach tool and gives some of the kids some good habits in addition to seeing the church as an accessible place.

Final thoughts: Are we still falling under the rules of the world, "do not touch or do not taste" (Col)? Can a Christian do XXX or YYY? Yes, if for glory of God.
 
Karate has a spiritual element that is not completely compatible with Christianity. Much like Tai Chi, which I have spent some time studying. There is a form of meditating in martial arts that you can bring Christ into very readily and very easily. Using Karate to bully somebody is not Christian. Using it in the event that you need to protect yourself or as a means to meditate upon Christ and Gods word is something completely different.
 
I remember there was a takewondo/karate/wadever class in one church I used to attend a long time ago, but then maybe it was a tuition center advertising in front of the church, or my memory could just be playing tricks. However, I know many people still learn martial arts and stuff even though guns and knives outclass everything. Personally, if you take it as legend and backstory I don't see the problem, just take it as learning about another culture.
However, what does culture have in this? You're just learning how to beat someone up and prevent someone from beating you up. As with all skills, you can use them for good (protecting yourself, the old lady you see being pursesnatched), or evil (robbing, bullying, pursesnatching).
 
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