Christ's Return

Is my reasoning correct in asserting that Christ was not referring to the transfiguration?

If I'm wrong then I'd like to know where I went wrong.
 
I misread it, I apologize. I reread it and saw where I misundertood.

You offer several different theories. They can't all be true. Which one is correct?

Before I continue, which theory are you siding with? Do you believe Christ's transfiguration fulfilled the verses in question?
 
I do believe the transfiguration fulfilled it. It was after the transfiguration that things sort of switched gears. Christ made his triumphant entry into Jerusalem and was proclaimed the Messiah after the transfiguration (not immediatly, but later). Everytime before this He stated something along the lines of "Mine hour has not yet come". The apostles were told of his impending death (again) and the prophecy was made against Jerusalem and for the 2nd coming.

The transfiguration was the turning point of His ministry. I have a series on Matthew 24 that contrasts and compares the preterist view and the futurist view of the prophecies that were made. The reason I relate the two, preterist also believe that Matthew 16:28 was about the same thing in 70ad.

Cory
 
How do you address these points then?

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Quote[/b] ]Some biblical inerrantists try to assert that the verse above doesn't talk about Christ's second coming, but rather His transfiguration which occurs in the next chapter. This isn't plausible for three reasons:
1.) Christ mentions in the passage that He would come "with His angels in the glory of His Father." The transfiguration text, however, makes no mention of angels.
2.) The context in which Christ spoke makes clear references to judgment, but at the transfiguration, just as there were no angels, there was no final judgment either. In fact, no judgment of any kind was involved in this story, so how could this event have been the fulfillment of Jesus’s promise in the preceding chapter?
3.) The beginning of the next chapter mentions that the transfiguration happened only six days after Christ had said that some hearing Him that day would not die until they saw Him coming in His kingdom. Now if the fulfillment of Christ's promise to His audience had come only six days later, that would mean that Christ had, in effect, said, "Verily, I say to you, there are some standing here who will still be alive six days from now to see the son of man coming in his kingdom," which is NOT the meaning of the verses.
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Jesus is comming soon to sow his crops and to burn the weeds.

Ask me to prove it, and ill say I cant. But i know it.
 
Guess what Byblos...people have been saying that for over TWO THOUSAND YEARS.

What makes you think that YOU are right?

ANY reason you give has been given before by countless people throughout countless generations.  They died believing Christ would return soon.  Dollars to donuts, so will you.
 
People have been saying that. But, Who else can say we are closer then any other generation? THats all we can say and thats good enough for me.

Truth is, We are closer to his return then any other generation so far.
 
Guess what, every consecutive generation will be saying the same thing Byblos, "We are closer to his return then any other generation so far."

Let me ask you a question, why do you believe Christ is going soon? Christ said He was going to return SOON 2,000 years ago. What do you think Christ meant by SOON?
 
Soon... is soon to him. Im closer then anyone else. Either way he is comming soon.

The entire destruction of Earth is now possible and wasnt in any of the past generations.

Israel is a nation again, and has only been recently.

And so many other prophecies have been fufilled, very few remain unfufilled.
 
Thank you, that was an honest answer.

As I have stated before, Christ's followers have been hoping that for thousands of years. In fact, shortly before His transfiguration, Christ told His followers that He would be coming SOON.

Now, let's think about this for a second. Christ spoke in every day language did He not? He said He was coming SOON. He didn't ammend that statement with, "Oh yeah, remember a day is but a thousand years to God, so even though I said SOON, I meant soon in God's time, not your time". The NT makes no bones about it, they all believed they were in the last days, they took Christ at His word when He said He would return SOON.

You are no different than that believer 2,000 years ago. You believe you are living in the last days and that Christ would keep His promise and return soon. They believed the same thing.
 
How do you know Christ is coming?

Because Christ said so, right?

Christ also said He was returning SOON.

I see a problem with your reasoning here.
 
what bible did you read DV? Christ used some common illistrations but he never really did speak in everyday language. if that was the case then, why was he always having to explain to the apostles what he ment? or to the pharisees who where the teachers of the law, which Jesus was expounding from.


I do not know if this was mentioned yet but could he instead of talking about the 2nd coming, could he have been talking about the ressurrection?
 
Good point LoJ.

Let me throw a question back at you.

What is the point of giving out a set of rules to live by if you make them difficult to understand? Why would Christ purposefully deceive his followers into thinking that He would return soon?

I'm not sure I understand what your following question was. Christ was referring to His second coming in the verses I listed in the OP. Was that what you were asking?
 
Yeah, never thought of that..... oh well, Hes on his way.

THe rules are easy. follow the one greatest commandment and you cant go wrong, Love your neigbor as you love yourself. SO dont do anything to anyone you wouldnt enjoy being done to yourself. So you wont kill them, steal form them, talk about them, you wont do anything wrong to anyone if you follow that one simple commandment.
 
Byblos, LoJ is talking about the PostModern approach, not the Christian ideal.

"Yeah, never thought of that..... oh well, Hes on his way."

LOL, nothing ever phases you does it? Do you still believe He is coming soon? You never did tell me what SOON was supposed to mean according to Christ.
 
Soon. Sure i think he is comming within my lifetime. I said why already. Because
Humans are now capable of fullifiling the prophecy of 1/3 of human kind being anhiliated in one moment,
Isrial is once again a nation wich it wasnt for quite some time,
and there are more natural Disasters in this century then in all the past centuries combined!
ITs gong to be soon.... probobly at most like 100 years, at most. But I mean, if there is another world war it will probobly be the last with all of these rediculously powerful bombs sooo im figuring Jesus will gather up his children before then, and return at the beggining of the war so not all humans are destroyed.
 
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