Azzie
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i think that in Christianity the solution to that cycle is merely honestly admitting to oneself and acknowledging that the self IS ungodly.
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Azzie said:i think that in Christianity the solution to that cycle is merely honestly admitting to oneself and acknowledging that the self IS ungodly.
Marcylene said:Yes, sir I can empathize with your frustration. Do I fully comprehend what you are going through, would I know how to deal with the same situation? No, on both counts.
Sometimes it frightens me that you know the Bible and its promises, I think, as well as I do. I shudder to think I could read the Bible and not believe.
I know that you know God's promises contained in Scripture. Looking at the parable of the lost sheep and coin, then reading that God is no respecter of persons...I know in my heart that He would come to save you if you were the only one that needed Salvation. I firmly believe that He cares about you and will work in your life even now. I know that in everything that we experience, according to II Corinthians 1:4, we have the comfort of God that we may bring comfort to others. Perhaps you are going through this to help others down the road, maybe your assistance is needed here to get us in line!
Brother Lester Roloff said not to give up on anyone until they had been dead for three days! Of course, his point being to never give up. I don't intend to give up, and I hope and pray that you won't either. God is always a prayer away, but patience must have her perfect work in us...I just consider you, like all of us, a work in progress.
Jeff Raven said:I have to admit, I've only been reading up on these forums for a couple days, but in truth I like you DV. You're thoughtful and clearly intelligent, but you're missing a couple factors in you reasoning.
At a scene of a crime we can gather evidence that could lead us to the culprit. Before we understood fingerprints, we didn't always have the best evidence to find the right person who committed the crime. Once fingerprints were used as evidence, the process of investigation still wasn't exact. Now we're using DNA as evidence. The process of investigation improves even more. The point? Not all the evidence can be seen or understood for anything, including God. So we have Faith that he is there, taking our scraps of evidence where we can.
You say you don't have enough evidence. Do you give up on the investigation if all you have is an empty room and an eye-witness of a dubious nature?
I submit to you a few questions.
We humans have a range of emotions from hate to jealousy to love and sadness. Why do we feel emotions? Why do we fall in love? Or hate someone? Why does carbon form bonds with oxygen, or chlorine or hydrogen, but can't form with Neon? Just how did DNA develop so that it self-corrects itself when it's replicated?
These questions by human understanding do not have answers. Do we dismiss them because we lack the evidence?
To answer your original question, yes I do think it is unreasonable to say you are an atheist, when it is clear you are not. You are a logical person, so instead I submit that you are agnostic, given that you do not have any evidence for the existence nor the non-existence of God.
Dark Virtue said:Before you answer, please keep in mind the differences between strong atheism and weak atheism and the position that I uphold (weak).
I ask this question to determine WHY some of you think my stance is unreasonable.
Keep in mind that I base my beliefs on logic, reason, evidence and proof. The sum of each of those things, throughout my life, has left me lacking enough to clearly, undeniably believe in God, or any gods for that matter.
Many of you ardently assert that you, personally, have been given enough to warrant your belief in God.
I can honestly say that I do not. Now I know there are some of you that are just chomping at the bit to declare that, indeed, I have and I'm simply deluding myself because I harbor some ill will towards God and am using this to disbelieve in him. I assure you that I am not.
Whatever your answers are, I ask that you back them up with reason. If you think I am a liar, please tell me why. If you believe that I am being unreasonable, tell me why. If you think I'm delusional, tell me why.
Thank you.
Eon said:Look up hard versus soft atheism. DV is a soft atheist - that is, he has seen insufficient evidence to convince him that there is a god.
This is opposed to a hard atheist who believes there is no god. A subtle difference, I'll grant you, but a very real one.
cc.slim said:So how is it that our concept is so hard to grasp? Have you not felt the holy spirit washing down upon your body? Have you ever felt the power of our Lord lifting you up over a major obstacle. Those that has felt the true presence can relate and those on the outside are left wondering how and why? Foretold! Power and presence for those that desire and ask and accept!
Have you not felt the holy spirit washing down upon your body?
Have you ever felt the power of our Lord lifting you up over a major obstacle.
cc.slim said:So how is it that our concept is so hard to grasp? Have you not felt the holy spirit washing down upon your body? Have you ever felt the power of our Lord lifting you up over a major obstacle. Those that has felt the true presence can relate and those on the outside are left wondering how and why? Foretold! Power and presence for those that desire and ask and accept!
Obscurity said:If you're looking for absolute, concrete proof that there is a God, then you will never find it. If it were possible to prove that God existed, if you could know that God were real, then you would never need faith.
You want evidence? The evidence is all around you, though you choose not to accept it.
astrod00d said:Have you ever felt the presence of God around you? I assume that you haven't since anyone who has would most definitely not be an atheist. And if you continue down the path that you are, you never will find Him. You will not sway any here to your belief if they have felt His presence. It just won't happen.
If you need proof of His existence, you will never find it. If you truly believe in Him and seek Him with an open heart, you will find Him. It's really that simple. It is something that a non-believer will never understand.
That is not the only way to find Him. There is another way that is harder. I'm sure you've seen people around the world who have all of a sudden found Christ. It is most likely because they've been 'touched'. Sometimes God has a plan for someone and He really wants it carried out so He 'touches' them and turns their lives around so that they can spread His word.
Who knows? Maybe one day you'll be 'touched'. But if I were you, I'd choose the other way just in case you never are.
cc.slim said:Secular humanism..Nothing at all hard to understand or except for that matter its more of a fact and a norm for this world. So normal that this subject has been broken down to many many catagories... But notice that your beliefs can be broken down, catagorized, labeled, and "explained".
Faith in something YOU can't see requires just that faith. John 20:29 states Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. No book ever written or ever will give you sound advise, promises,advocates love and history lessons all rolled into one other than the bible. Divine inspiration? I say yes, and intrust my life on this very thing. Now as for breaking down religion oh yeh but keep in mind that word religion(I only add this because you are onry)Start with the belief in creation(God) then follow the story aka bible which leads you to Jesus(fulfilled prophesy with the numbers of one person fulfilling such things is astronomical) hence leads you to by bible words to the correct truth..Narrow is the path so you must seek the correct one and the bible is your map..I could go on forever and ever trying to change the hard hearted or give the blind sight but me is a tard with little skillz.So as foretold that skeptics abound that I am supposed to move on to the next field looking for fertile ground to sow seeds of promise..But somehow I think with a little manure and tlc something can grow.Hehehehe k so no manure needed hahahaha just TLC...People look to the church for the answer and expect results when what they need is to look to Jesus..Read the New testament a couple of times then pray that you can absorb his words.Church is fellowship not the truth only Christ is the truth.As for the holy spirit hehehehe Follow Jesus and it will come so then you need never to ask what or why again.