Evil, a force we need or just pain.

Really? He's lost has he?

By your own faiths admission he will end up with dominion over just about 99.99999999% of everything ever created anywhere. That's a pretty odd definition of lost. That's like saying Bill Gates lost in a competition of wealth, because you once won $10 off him playing poker.
 
It's not a "game of souls" like you put it. When Jesus died and rose, He put an expiration date on Sin. Although Satan has not lost yet, eventually he will. It says in the Bible that he knows his time is near.
 
I kind a agree with Eon even though I'm a christian, God gave us the choise, he kicked out the devil... but most of us won't be flying high in the sky...
 
I always thought that "his time is near" means the time when he gets to rule openly as opposed to clandestinely?
 
I always though it was when he was to be tied up by the archangel and cast down into hell....
(said in a attitude way not sarcastic)
 
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even if it means this, he only gets 3.5 years to rule this way.
 
Thrown into hell - so if he's not ruling down there anymore, who will? And since I'm now reliably informed on another thread that Hell isn't a burning lake of fire, just eternity without Yahweh, why would he or anyone else there care, particularly?
 
I really don't thinkanyone knows the how hell is, but I do belive the fiery lake to be a... hmm... metafor? *word*
well anyways, to be totaly abondoned by God, and knowing who went to heaven has it made, and is in te presence of someone who luuuves them, I could figure if not for the first 1000 years of eternety that it could be pretty annoing...

yes you kan say "sinec I don't belive in God it would be no different for me"
Then I would say: Yea but I belive that God is infact near you even if you don't claim him as yours and that to be away from him would be totaly devastating...

But then again I'm but one little boy in a scary world..
 
As for the game of souls, Satan probably has many more people on the earth. However if you think of the sacrafice Jesus made, all we have to do is accept him into our life and we're in.

Anyone on their death bed, in a fox hole, or even about to be executed can accept Jesus and be in. I don't think we will be at all lonely in Heaven.
 
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Of course, have you been to Hell? Has anyone else here? No. We just have to take the Bible by it's word and assume that it is a place of eternal punishment in fire.
 
Why cannot a person repent in Hell? Why are people punished for eternity for their actions/decisions in a finite time? Also, why cannot a person in Heaven fall? The only solution I see is that "free will" is taken away.

Discuss.
 
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Because, he had his whole life to, but he didn't, so he has to suffer the consequences.
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Because, we deliberately disobey God uncountable number of times in our life time.
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I assume someone can, but if they do they'd probably just be thrown into Hell.
 
OK, so first, we see God punishing us eternally based on a finitely short time. That's like a judge sentencing a kid to live in prison for stealing a piece of candy.

Second, if we can fall from Heaven once we're there, it doesn't look very good for anyone, does it? If given an eternal, infinite amount of time to fall, it follows that most, if not all, people will eventually fall from Heaven, even if they entered it originally..

And if someone can fall from Heaven, again, why can't a person repent in Hell? Why is it such a one-way street? What a loving god.
 
Fair enough.
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May I jump in here?

Eternal punishnment is the consequence of rejecting Christ's  propitiation for one's sin not a punishment for any single act of sin. The person who will not admit their need for a savior is doomed to eternal separation from God. In the end, "every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord", but some will do so with great humilty, gratitude and joy while others will do so grudgingly and/ or sorrowfully only because they will ultimately know it is true.

No one will fall in heaven. Heaven will be without sin. We will be changed we will be as like our glorious Lord as a human can be. If one is born again, a new creation,God will see them through until the end.
"...neither death nor life,neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation , will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 8:38
 
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Certainly.

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Eternal seperation doesn't sound too bad, tbh. I really don't like that fellow, as he's portrayed in his best seller. Regardless, it still does not smell like justice to me -- eternal punishment for finite sinning. Besides that, if god really loves everyone and wants that no one goes to hell, why doesn't he just let us in if we repent in Hell? You're really contradicting yourself. I don't see why it matters when you accept jesus, just that you do.

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No one will fall in heaven. Heaven will be without sin. We will be changed we will be as like our glorious Lord as a human can be. If one is born again, a new creation,God will see them through until the end.
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So, he takes away free will, like I said. Or, he does a better job than he did with Adam and Eve, eh? Why didn't he make them so glorious...all of this would be unnecessary.

I'm sorry, but nothing adds up.
 
Every knee will bow? You'd better believe it won't whilst it's connected to my body. I swear you will get Croatian's to bow the knee before Milosevic before you get me to kowtow to Yahweh again.

Even if the bible turns out to be 100% accurate, it will only make things worse.
 
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