Female characters in video games

I think that we can see more protagonist females in games soon. As moxie said, more and more female kids are becoming gamers and im sure doing that stuff in GTA is not going to appeal to them. Games are going to have to change for the changing audience. I can see games getting even more male oriented, but at the same time i see other games shifting over to allow girls to enjoy as much as the boys.

and yes Atown, your ele is the bomb. I could always use an Atown ele-tank, then a tank-tank.
 
Back on track... I'd like to see you input on the FFX and FFX-2 females. Each one of them are quite different and their styles to fighting or succeeding varied. I really enjoyed Rikku's role(s), the others really have stereotypical game reasons for acting they way they do, (in love, trying to live up or down a previous reputation) but Rikku is there just to have fun and do good.
 
I have a very good, viable ele tanking build...enchant strips are murder though...though in I've been playing Drakengard 2 recently, and yeah, they appeal to most stereotypes, including main char with a huge sword
 
I have a very good, viable ele tanking build...enchant strips are murder though...though in I've been playing Drakengard 2 recently, and yeah, they appeal to most stereotypes, including main char with a huge sword

rofl enchants??????? what kind of ele tank uses enchants? n00b ;) its all about stances
 
This year I want to add an Uhura-style dress, again lengthening the hemline. I also REALLY want to do Alice from American McGee's Alice or else Sheila from the D&D cartoon (who I went as for Halloween when I was seven; I still have the cloak). If my friend Ishy wants, I may do a Gryfindor costume to complement her Hufflepuff. Someday I may do Leia (either her outfit from the first Death Star or the formal one from the end of A New Hope) or Padme (several good options). I'm also considering doing the Queen of All Cosmos someday.

I was wondering why you asked me about my Hufflepuff costume. The problem is that it doesn't fit me anymore.. :cool:

You forgot to mention we're doing a group GW cosplay. BTW, those of you who have been asked by MM to join....if I'm going to be showing my midriff to be a dervish, you better come with a costume, or you might find yourself threatened with a large scythe...
 
You forgot to mention we're doing a group GW cosplay. BTW, those of you who have been asked by MM to join....if I'm going to be showing my midriff to be a dervish, you better come with a costume, or you might find yourself threatened with a large scythe...

Yes, anyone who plays Guild Wars and is going to come to Dragon*Con should do a costume with us. :)

Do note that Ishy has chosen a character that's totally melee (note the scythe), while I'm playing a mesmer, who is a mind-control, mind-clouding caster type. Ishy will do melee characters in D&D, too, while I always pick clerics and sorceresses. We're good friends, and still choose completely opposite character types. That's because woman are as varied in their preferences as men.
 
I would gladly come...were not air fare, lodging, and entrance fees a problem. In DnD, our DM, for our "last huzzah" before college let us play whatever we wanted...I chose a Red Greatwyrm Dragonkin Barbarian...I wonder how that costume would work...becoming several dozen feet tall is problematic..
 
one2dredd said:
Hmm I feel very uncomfortable now like someone directed a post at me.....

You are one of them, but not the only one....

Back to the topic:
It seems like people believe "Well, if we just be more vocal then maybe it will happen", but I see a lot of people protesting it, and it's something that is brought up to the industry often. It just doesn't seem to have any effect.

One thing that I don't see mentioned much, which I kind of wonder about, is if women get passed over for gaming industry jobs, even if they are just as capable as the males who apply? I actually know at least three 3 women who want to break into that industry, so they are out there, but I wonder if they get passed over because they aren't taken as seriously, or put in junior positions where they don't have much say in the major design issues. I tried to do some research, but didn't come up with much.
 
You are one of them, but not the only one....

Back to the topic:
It seems like people believe "Well, if we just be more vocal then maybe it will happen", but I see a lot of people protesting it, and it's something that is brought up to the industry often. It just doesn't seem to have any effect.

One thing that I don't see mentioned much, which I kind of wonder about, is if women get passed over for gaming industry jobs, even if they are just as capable as the males who apply? I actually know at least three 3 women who want to break into that industry, so they are out there, but I wonder if they get passed over because they aren't taken as seriously, or put in junior positions where they don't have much say in the major design issues. I tried to do some research, but didn't come up with much.


Thats why we love Gaile Gray!!! That and she makes fireworks in cities...

I think there is still a sizeable sexist thing in the workforce today. I also think that naturally people classify jobs/activities as boy or girl. Like pink is for girls and blue is for boys. As much as it pains me to say, but your probably right Ishy. Women are probably glossed over when applying for a gaming industry job... cept maybe like.. Hello Kitty ;).
 
I don't think that women are really passed over in those kind of jobs, its just that they aren't really there to begin with.

At my college, guys outnumber the girls something like 10-1 in the CS/CIS majors... Despite that overall girls outnumber guys enrolled on campus about 3-1.

It has been said that this tends to be the trend colleges/universities. So if you take the the percentage of women graduating with a tech degree and then out of that taking the percentage of them that would actually be interested enough to apply for a job in games, you'll have something along the lines of ...slim to very slim. ;)
 
My brother said that the number of female students he went to technical school with, which was all CS-type degrees, was pretty even male and female. So perhaps more women are going to the technical schools than doing CIS in a university setting.
 
The entry level computer courses at my college are about 5:2 male:female. The programming classes are pretty much dominated by males though.
 
Actually there are a lot of Women at the Major Game Studios. Look at GameInformer every moth and there is at least one Women in every picture from a gaming company. In fact I have seen a few that were the lead programmer for MAJOR titles. So it is very common in the gaming industry for women to hold jobs in every aspect of the dev team. Look at guilds Wars if you see a pic of all the employees there are a lot of women that work there as well. Yes men do hold more of the jobs but it is more diverse than one might think.
 
I was going to rewrite my response, since it's so long. BUT I'm majorly sleep-deprived, and can no longer form that many coherent thoughts. So here it is, uncut. If you don't feel like reading the whole thing, read the first two paragraphs and the last one.


I don't know anything about jobs in gaming...but I was a physics major, so I can tell you what that was like.

I heard lots of "you can be whatever you want to be" stuff growing up in the seventies and eighties. I loved science and math, so I wanted to be a scientist. Well, apparently no one really meant it. In high school, I got a lot of, "you want to be a physicist?" responses. It was suggested to me that biology (or another life science) would be a better choice; never mind that I loved physics and had only a passing interest in bio. I had to work twice as hard as the guys to be taken seriously in high school by many people. Just being really good wasn't enough; even National Merit wasn't enough. I was also told, "female math whizzes aren't normal." That's a direct quotation. And that despite the fact that I placed in the top ten in the county in MathCounts, and my team placed fourth in our large state. It was uncomfortable. I was under the microscope, and I drew a lot of attention.

In many ways, college was worse. There was one other woman in my class for the three classes in my sophomore-level series. In my electronics lab, there were two other women. Other than that, I was the only woman. In calculus, there were no more than four of us, even though we usually had more than twenty in a class.

And the physics program itself? Two other female students, one undergrad about to graduate and one grad student, and one female teacher. ONE...and she only taught the sophomore-level labs.

This may not sound like a big deal, but think about it. Do you know how awkward it is to get together with classmates outside of class when you're the only female? I was engaged, too, so I wasn't comfortable meeting only one male classmate away from class to study or compare notes. Plus, like many women, I'm very social, but there were no other women. It was just me and a bunch of guys. True, I like guys and get along with them quite well, but I felt very isolated.

One of the biggest issues, though, was something I heard time and again, from teachers and classmates, and even people outside the program. "Physics? Oh, you'll have an easy time getting a job; you're a woman!" Do you know how insulting that is? And how discouraging? I quickly came to realize just what affirmative action would mean for me: no matter how hard I worked, many people would dismiss my achievements. Many people would assume I was hired or chosen for a project or given a grant because I was a woman. Sometimes they would be right, but either way there were an awful lot of people who would never actually look at my achievements and qualifications to see if I actually deserved it. But I still wanted to go into physics, because I still loved it. (Well, except analog electronics; hated that.)

I never really admitted it to myself until now, but in a way it was a relief when God sent me out of the program. I still love science, but that was so much pressure. I'm sure this is at least part of the reason there aren't more female physicists and physics majors: it's just so very frustrating and wearisome and discouraging, and there are a lot of people who won't give you a fair chance. And being just as good as a guy is NOT enough. And I'll bet some of these factors are at play in the gaming world.
 
All of the calculus teachers at my school are women, and the new advanced chemistry teacher (who used to teach chemistry at the local college) is also a woman [though she replaced a man from last year].

My computer science teacher is a woman (and my mom used to be her husband's secratary -- he's a lawyer -- so we know each other really well :3 ).
 
Back to the topic:
It seems like people believe "Well, if we just be more vocal then maybe it will happen", but I see a lot of people protesting it, and it's something that is brought up to the industry often. It just doesn't seem to have any effect.

Most of the people complaining who get the publicity come off as religious nutcases, I think. And so many of the people complaining don't actually play games anyway. Take them out of the picture, and you're left with mostly women complaining about the treatment of women in video games.

Until more guys give reasoned, rational, protests AND get some publicity, it's like there's no one out there complaining who counts.

It's the same reason I didn't even bother saying anything the one time a guy on TS said, "Women are inferior to men." None of the guys said anything, so my words would mean nothing; to that guy, I was inferior anyway, so obviously I would be wrong.
 
It's the same reason I didn't even bother saying anything the one time a guy on TS said, "Women are inferior to men." None of the guys said anything, so my words would mean nothing; to that guy, I was inferior anyway, so obviously I would be wrong.

<hugs> :)

Don't worry I'd beat him up for you... then I'd rip out his still beating heart and dance on his grave "saying who's inferior now huh, HUH!"...ok maybe not, but, I think I'd manage a "don't be hate'in" comment :).
 
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