Goodbye Oh great community!

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Relax! I'm not leaving!

I have already been ejected and banned from the server!
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Well I have tried my best to make my mistakes right, and to offend no-one. I want to tell my Fellow Community that I will miss them. No more fun tournaments with rizz or TheJFreak. No more fun pistol rounds with all of you that I have came to adore.

Vanaze, Evergypsy, and I have all been banned from the server, and I have no tangible, strong reason why.

Roumors exist that the community will change to not allow multi-clanning. While Vanaze was talking about it in the server, he got kicked by and admin (to my knowledge exodus).
He went back to ask in a calm, non-offending, reasonable matter why, and was perm banned. Evergypsy and I went to the server to also ask, why has this member of TOJ, with a membership tenure that almost lasts as long as TOJ exists been banned. Vanaze is one of the most honest and pure christians I know. I want to know what has lead his path from the right one. Within 2 minutes, Gypsy and I were banned.

I want to clear things up. Have I recruited members of TOJ?
yes.
Have I recruited members for my own team, Team-3R?, yes.
Do I spam the server or forums to get my message out?No..

Some of the TOJ leadership has been concerned with the large ammount of christian "spin-off" teams and clans.

Do you want my team, who seeks a common christian fellowship, to not try to recruit members of a common christian community?

Without that happening, the next time you see someone in my team, whom you have never seen before, not act christian like, it is because he isnt christian.

Now this is a two way road. I have pulled a member or two from TOJ that I know and asked them to play in my team, BUT I have recruited people for my team who have had no knowledge of TOJ, and tried to give them the same solid, trustworthy, respectable christian fellowship and leadership that I have come to expect from TOJ. I brought my team to be better christians with you, the fellow members of the toj community

The next time you see Evergypsy in MSN or IRC, or mabye even a random CS server, ask him what the TOJ infulence has done for him. The change has been very profound.

Community, I will miss you very much, and you all know who you are. Everyone from the newest members (p00p00h34d), to the members I may see regularly (TheJFreak,Thad,Que,zealot,Dead_aim,God's_peon,Rizz,Espresso,Atown,gotgoose,pab, the list just goes on)

The days of late night DE_Wallmart, and DE_rats2_final2 are over. Good luck, and Godspeed.

Just for kicks, here is the last picture of me you will see:
The Last Round I Spent with You
 
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Quote[/b] ]Vanaze, Evergypsy, and I have all been banned from the server, and I have no tangible, strong reason why.
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You really should keep to the truth Booyah. You guys know why. You were told to drop the arguement Several times. All 3 of you continued even after being kicked. (Vanaze and Gypsie were kicked, don't know if you were) The server is not the place for this discussion, the boards are.

Cory
 
booyah, you should really be a defense attorney the way you twist the truth to fit your own perception. it might be better for all involved if you didn't do that in such a public forum... it causes confusion, sows discord and really makes you look bad when 3 admins were there to see this thing go down, and all 3 agree it didn't happen the way you stated it.

Vanaze, I appreciate the attempts you have made this evening to bridge the gap. Please know that Tek and ToJ Leadership are planning on getting together to work this thing out.
 
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No. All three of us only wanted to know why he was kicked. For your future admin experience, kicking is a harsh thing to do. you kick people who do not listen to you(I know what you will say, keep reading). You kick people as a last resort. Vanaze wasnted to know why such a great step was taken to remove him from the server. We wanted a respectful answer, something like " Dude, I was just trying to get my point across. Please from refraining about talking about this topic here? thanks"

Now, I have no clue what you were even talking about in the first place, I cant even call it arguing. While I was playing, trying to be stealthy, yet lethal
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, I saw one admin_t say. You didnt bother to slap him or even slay him. you probably could have admin_rcon say blah blah, and it would have ended there.

Exodus you ared the one that escilated the level of force to the point of banning three people in 5 minutes. I have never seen that ever happen before, even when the admins were getting vote kicked.

Thad, I was not kicked, I saw the nextmap was backalley !!
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Now, this could have ended in vanaze getting slayed a couple of times, and exo telling him that he is very serious. I have no knowledge about any argument. People were talking about the no-multiclanning thing, but I cannot ask how you can expect all them not too.

I was trying to concentrate on my game, CTs got money after about round 11 and if I had kept up on my killing spree I feel I could have gotten to above 70 frags.

Now, exodus, I was not following you to your death. Pubbies are not the place to try to organize things, because people will disagree with you.
If you are really mad about that, please grow up, but I do not think that that was an issue.

Now, I wanted to know what was soooooooo severe that it was worth perm banning instantly multiple people who are not grief players. I re-joined the server(I was never kicked), after he got banned to just answer the question why. You said something to the effect of I'll tell you why,
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and banned me. Not cool.

Now Joe went into the server and called you names and was a grief player, so we cut him on the spot. I just wanted to know who,what,why.
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This is my thread to say goodbye to my friends, so I want them to post here saying " Booyah we love you and miss you", I do not even care about the argument at this point. I dont care how exodus critisized Vanaze's walk(that is what I later heard FYI).

I hope it is not too hard for all of you too look past instant bannage and just say :

We L0V3 J00 Booyah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!We Will Miss J00!!!
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Actually it was I that kicked, and ultimately banned Van, as well I'm the one who banned Gypsy.

And the reason was for not obeying the admin.  I told him repeatedly to let it drop.  He didn't so I kicked him.  Under the zero-tolerance rules, since he is a member of ToJ, I was perfectly within the rights of an admin.  When he rejoined, he began in on it, in a quite disrespectful manner.  I told him why he was kicked, and then told him that if he didn't drop it, he would be banned.


As you yourself pointed out, Van is a ToJ member.  I for one, will have to be in a VERY generous mood to do a first punishment as a slay for a ToJ member, and I'm rarely in that generous of a mood.  For ToJ Members, it's one warning, then a kick.  There is none of this multiple slayings, and a couple slaps before a harsh punishment comes down.  No the kick alone should have told Van that we, the admins, are quite serious about things.  In fact it should not have taken the kick, it should not even take a single slay (let alone the multiple slays you seem to endorse), it should have merely taken when I told him to drop it. (My exact words were "Van I'm saying this as an admin:  Drop it now.").

We're not talking rocket science here people.  If you listen to what an admin tells you to do, you will not get punished, if you purposefully ignore what an admin tells you, you will be punished.
 
I'm not trying to debate anything. I want this thread to only be about:

I hope it is not too hard for all of you too look past instant bannage and just say :

We L0V3 J00 Booyah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!We Will Miss J00!!!

Please edit your posts to reflect, thanks for your cooperation.
 
Personally i will miss booyah. I dunno what happened with all this but i am looking into it. Still i think there is a lot of stuff exploding here that shouldnt be.
 
I dunno what happened with all this but

I have little knowledge of what happened, I was "in the zone". I try to ignore others when that happens. In scrims we use Ventrilo, so it is completely different. He might have been using team say too? :shrug:

Bye rizzah I <3 you.
 
wow i actually made it onto ur list, nifty, but yeah i'll miss ya. though from what ive heard the admins were correct in their doings.
 
Kidan, YOU sir have always had some bone to pick with me, yet I've never found out why. I've always been respectful, and anyone who really knows me will agree that I'm not in the habit of going about creating a ruckuss for the heck of it. I sincerely hope you were kidding about being "disrespectful" because I do have a condump of the entire conversation, and I'll be more than happy to show it to whomever needs to see it, because for once, I'm going to stand up for myself and not let someone who thinks they have the right to criticize me and my Christian walk do so.

Maybe YOU should back off and listen when a fellow Christian whom has been with ToJ as long as I have speaks to you. If I were an admin and you had an issue YOU wanted to discuss, I would see it no differently then if you walked up to me at church and started talking to me about it.

I'm sorry if you disagreed with the way I went about it -- get over it. I can't remember how many times I've gone to the ToJ boards to post about a definite lack of SOMETHING on the ToJ server, simply to be pushed aside by the higher ups, whether it be through simply sloth, or total apathy, but none of you, save Elite and Thad, have ever shown any true respect for anyone with an issue about the ToJ server. It's always, "Oh, yes, we're talking about it." Yet we never see any of that come to fruition. It's always been, "Oh, forget them, they're trouble *kickban*"

I've done nothing against any of you, I've participated in many of the debates we've had on ToJ, and until recently, Kidan, I was one of the few people who went with your Bible study forum.

I highly suggest you step back and take a look at your maligned comments and think again, with prayer and concern. I don't get into your business, simply out of respect for you, but you admins can't keep the whole attitude of "BAN BAN BAN KICK KICK KICK". You're supposed to be leaders in our Christian community, not liberal-butt-kickers. All I know is on numerous occasions, Kidan, you have kicked me from ToJ server for discussing something, or more often, defending myself or my faith to a comment of a unlearned individual who likes to run their mouth. You simply see me as a nuisance, and I'm sorry you do. I am not a "Grief player".

Fight the fight for the faith, is it? Then try to stop fighting those whom are on your side.


PS -- I really had no intentions of ever returning to comment on these boards again, due to the reason that I'm often found on the other side of a discussion or disagreement, but that really got under my skin and I did not appreciate it.
 
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Quote[/b] (Vanaze @ May 13 2004,1:26)]... I do have a condump of the entire conversation, and I'll be more than happy to show it to whomever needs to see it
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Send it to Rizz.  He is looking into this.

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Quote[/b] (Vanaze @ May 13 2004,1:26)]... Maybe YOU should back off and listen when a fellow Christian whom has been with ToJ as long as I have speaks to you. ...
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Tenure at ToJ makes no difference when a leader tells you to do something.  Period.  He was put in a leadership role for a reason.  Seeing how Kidan did not tell you to do something against our common faith, then you are bound to the rules of the ToJ charter (which you agreed to), cs chapter and the server rules.  Kidan at that point has every right to kick and ban members that are violating those rules.  Period.

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Quote[/b] (Vanaze @ May 13 2004,1:26)]... I'm sorry if you disagreed with the way I went about it -- get over it. ...
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I don't have much to comment on this other than you obviously knew you were doing something wrong but instead of stopping and listening to an admin, you choose to continue your actions.

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Quote[/b] (Vanaze @ May 13 2004,1:26)]...I can't remember how many times I've gone to the ToJ boards to post about a definite lack of SOMETHING on the ToJ server, simply to be pushed aside by the higher ups, whether it be through simply sloth, or total apathy, but none of you, save Elite and Thad, have ever shown any true respect for anyone with an issue about the ToJ server. It's always, "Oh, yes, we're talking about it." Yet we never see any of that come to fruition. It's always been, "Oh, forget them, they're trouble *kickban*"...
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You need to be careful when you make grosse generalities like this. You can't remember because it rarily happens. I have only need to point out that there are more threads and replies in the Private "Server Administrators" forum than exist in the Public "Server Discusions" forum to show anyone that issues and suggestions are addressed on a daily basis. Becareful with comments like apathy and sloth when it boils down to you not likeing the outcome on what we decided on.
 
booyah, i'm not gonna aruge anymore. rizz & tek have the condump and 3 admins were there.

the only bone I will pick is the fact that you said publically that i criticized Van's walk. no such thing happened, that is a outright lie. as a matter of fact, Van and I made progress toward peace-keeping last night.

let see what God says in proverbs 6:

These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

be very careful about spreaking falsehoods and sowing discord booyah.
 
Time for me to step in. First of all to everyone: If you have an issue with something please feel free to email an admin privately - whether that's me or one your trust the most. Everytime I've seen someone start complaining or call the leadership on their actions they get 3 fingers pointing back at them. Save your pride and time, settle it in PRIVATE. I will gladly step in and do what I need to do to help you get it resolved.

Booyah - I don't know you, and at this point I'm not going to make it a point to. I've been watching the forums (both public and private) and I don't appreciate the way you've handled these issues past and present. You've basically come here and called out your biased views, argued your weak points, and expect people to say good bye and that they miss you after this whole mess? Don't let the door hit you on the way out. You are no longer welcome here.

Vanaze - I am sorry to hear that you felt that your requests and suggestions have gone "unanswered". Believe me or not, we take everyone's requests/complaints/suggestions into consideration. Unfortunately, some of them are simply not feasible or possible. Most of the time we lack the resources and the finances. If you or someone has a request, providing a feasible solution would certainly speed up the process. I hope that we can work on keeping you here, I'd hate to see you go.

As far as the admins - they are simply doing their job. If you guys need to, re-read the server rules. There is a zero-tolerance policy for ToJ members - this was implemented in the past to prevent our very own members from getting away with murder - and trust me, they were. A single problem ToJ member made the whole community look bad and that had to be stopped. Read the rules guys. You will save yourself a lot of time and pride by doing so.
 
booyah, i'm not gonna aruge anymore. This isnt a thread to critize me. This isnt even a thread to argue.
 
Plankeye -- Yes, it has occured, several times, sir, but when it fails to be dealt with in a timely and proper manner, you lose faith in that form of action. That's where the whole idea of free speech comes into play. I will indeed speak up against something if it is a blatant disregard for someone else's opinion, which has constantly occured amongst ToJ, specifically from the leaders, once again, with the exception of a few. No, if someone *tells* me to do something I don't agree with, I won't do it, sorry, that's not me. PARTICULARLY when I have complied with their (what should be called)REQUEST several times before to no avail. My tenure, as it has become called, I think should matter, seeing how I'm respected by Tek and Elihu enough to be invited to lead worship at the CGA convention. I've stood down from becoming a staff member, requested to be one by Tek several times, simply because I've had a lot on my plate and didn't want ToJ or the CGA to get less attention than it should.

Elite - I respect Booyah a great deal, and you telling him he's not welcome here isn't taken lightly on my part, I would beckon that you reconsider. Booyah is not lying, we have a condump to prove it, several, actually, if I understand right. He's a good, honest person, and I don't appreciate that pre-judgement on him. For the prior reasons about MY character, please respect me enough to get to know Booyah before you call him biased (which we all are in some form or another) and unwelcome to ToJ. We're not excommunicating people here, remember that.

You say settle it in private? Get your own comments straight, please, we were told to settle it here. Find out what you want us to do, and let us know, 'cause we're honestly confused and bewildered as to why you all being so hostile towards us for no apparent reason.

We're not approaching this in a hostile manner at all, simply in the spirit of Christian fellowship and discernment through our Lord Christ. We feel we have been treated unfairly, by administrators who have gotten a little out of hand with their power.

I prefer not to bring Tek into this simply out of respect for him, but I will not hesitate to go to him if nothing else happens to heal this situation. I stand by my decision to stand firmly with Booyah, for I know him personally, and he does not deserve the disrespect he has received.

Van
 
Exodus-- You did, or at least it seemed, criticize my walk and my witness, and I did not appreciate it, though I did not let it get to me or inform you of it. I was too busy making sure nothing was wrong on your end. I do have the conversation and the comments that were made, and I'm not asking for an apology, simply that we can remove the hostilities amongst us.

Divided we fall, united we stand.

My fellow 3R members feel unwelcomed, and since Booyah now seems to be extradited to perhaps the Higher Power we're here to serve by Elite, it appears that I'm the only 3R member(involved in this) still an active ToJ member, and I will remain that way.

I have faith in our Lord to work this out through us, I just hope you all can keep that same faith.

Do not let this community become so systematic that we forget why God Almighty allowed us to form it and nourish it. We're not yet blossomed to our full strength, so please do not let one incident keep us from growing further.

Vanaze
 
Van,

I've always had respect for you as a member of ToJ. In the middle of a game of CS is not the place to have a heavy conversation about something that without even being implemented had so many people in fits. Gypsie came on just irrate and not even rational about it. Booyah and you were being argumentive after being asked to drop it. When there is arguements between ToJ members on the server it does nothing to promote what we stand for.

As for your threat about bringing Tek in, what makes you think he's not already involved? Do you think you have that much clout to toss out threats? You, sir, should know better than to act like this. Regardless of how you feel about what transgressed, coming at it with the manner you have does nothing for your arguement.

Be careful Van, make sure your fighting this cause for the right reasons.

Cory
 
I'm sure Tek has already been "brought into it" but I will make sure he's well aware of the wrongs that have been done to me and my friends.

No, I was not being arguementative and I will gladly prove that with the condump.

I've been asked to send it to Rizz, but I'd much rather not, simply because I feel it will be pushed under the table, and I would much rather collect everyone involved into a private IRC channel or Ventrilo channel and speak my turn, have my say.

I'll repeat, I have been nothing but respectful this entire time, yet I have been met with nothing but hostilities.

Thad, when I'm flat out ignored in the IRC channel and such when I make comments about things, or flat out ask questions, or whether it be simply that no one SAW my questions, and when I have made posts in the forums to no avail, I will bring it to where people are.

I'm tired of being told that it wasn't the "proper time" to bring it up, because as far as I can tell, NO time is the "proper time". Any time or place I've brought it up, I've either been ignored or disregarded as a grief player.

Van
 
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