Help me find a laptop..

FiremanThul

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Due to upcoming changes at work, I find myself in need of a gaming capable laptop again. I'm currently rocking my asus netbook for school stuff, but it doesn't have any ability to do games. I'm certainly not looking for a 4k alienware laptop, but I want something that has the ability to do WoW on high to highest settings without skipping, starcraft II, maybe a FPS..

Here's some of my requirements

1. Somewhat lightweight - I had an HP once that was about 10lbs, great machine, but lugging it around was annoying
2. Gaming Power - needs to be above mid range. I'm not looking for a super tops computer here, but I've compromised in the past and always been disappointed.
3. Battery Life - I found an asus that rocks two video cards, a low end on board that can be run for maximum battery life (~4.5 hours) but can be switched to a high end video card for maximum performance. My netbook lasts 8 hours on a single charge and I've grown fond of not being tethered to the wall. I understand I'm not getting 8 hours on a full power notebook, but a solid 2 of general internet browsing would be nice..
4. CD/DVD-R/W
5. Good display, I find high gloss screens to be nicer than the matte finish, but maybe you smart guys/gals out there can convince me that the matte is better.
6. Price - I'm not made of money, would like to stay around 600-700 if possible, definitely can't go over 1000..

Thanks!
 
Ohh I see, I read that wrong. For some reason I was thinking 2 dedicated in SLI mode and the onboard like this. That would be wicked but obviously a lot of $$. Still tho, that looks like a decent laptop.

I was always a big fan of Sager laptops. Both Icthus and Gilga had one, I wonder if they would still recommend them.
 
I will never own another Acer product.. Acer had a horrendous track record when they first came out, then they went dormant for several years and popped back on the market. I was very reluctant to try them, but found a notebook for $450 and figured I'd give it a go.

Sure enough, about 2 months after the warranty expired, it went DOA. Turns out it was a known motherboard issue that had been acknowledged by Acer, but they refused to fix it for me.
 
I will never own another Acer product.. Acer had a horrendous track record when they first came out, then they went dormant for several years and popped back on the market. I was very reluctant to try them, but found a notebook for $450 and figured I'd give it a go.

Sure enough, about 2 months after the warranty expired, it went DOA. Turns out it was a known motherboard issue that had been acknowledged by Acer, but they refused to fix it for me.

My netbook is an Acer (got it 1.5 years ago) and the laptop I had before that is an Acer (got it in 2006). Both still going strong! XD
 
As an in-home pc technician, I too swore off Acer after seeing so many problems with them. Then a few years ago when Gateway bought/merged with Acer, the quality seemed to really step up. Same with the Gateways, both are much better products, quality wise, then in the past, for what its worth.
 
I was always a big fan of Sager laptops. Both Icthus and Gilga had one, I wonder if they would still recommend them.

The Sager was pretty good, but I found that 1) I didn't like the keyboard and 2) it ran REALLY hot. Like so hot it burned out the mobo and I had to get it replaced. Now, they were really nice about replacing it and all, but still, the adventure taught me that with laptop buying, the overall experience isn't just the sum of the component parts like in desktop buying. Form factor and thermals are a much bigger deal.

My next laptop after the Sager was an Alienware M11X, which I love. You could pick up the stock M11X for $800 (less if you can swing a student discount or your company has a premier account with Dell) and the specs aren't that far off the ASUS you linked. In fact the CPU is identical to my M11X R1 ... more CPU options are available now. You'd get a tigher gaming machine, but with a smaller screen. Which brings us right to the tradeoffs with an M11X. It can definitely handle WoW, definitely handle SC2. The battery life is phenomenal, even using the discrete graphics card (like 4+ hours). But a) playing WoW on an 11-inch screen has its drawbacks, b) that CPU is a slow CPU. You can overclock it but it's still just 1.7 GHz and that's just slow. So I generally run wow on "good" settings ... it can handle High but FPS drops to teens to twenties and at Good its' consistently 30+. Also, I attach it to a 24" monitor sometimes at higher resolution, and it definitely chokes on high with that. No problem with 10-man raids running grid, omen, and recount ... I haven't tried 25-man raids. I got mine with a built-in 3G card so in theory I could be wowing while off on some park bench somewhere ... but i never woudl because the glossy screen can't be seen outside in daylight. Anyhow, it's a nice machine for WoW. But the small screen can be rough, the CPU means you can't get the high performance you said you wanted. And it doesn't have an optical drive, you'd have to connect an optical one. The M11X has the same sort of "switchable" graphics that you mention with the Asus. I find that I always leave the graphics in high-power mode, that I don't use the low-power setting. But that's just me, I always forget to pop my trinkets as well...

Right now I'm in the market for a "home laptop" (apparently playing WoW while my wife is watching Army Wives is not good husbandly behavior, and of course my desktop is in the room where the good TV is ... sigh) and have been looking for ideal WoW specs, e.g. Ultra Graphics. And interestingly, because WoW is an "old game" ... it's very CPU dependent. Any graphics card from the last 18 months will get you all you need. SLI/Crossfire graphics does zilch for WoW apparently. But having a fast processor DOES help. And fast means "high GHz" ... not quad core. Because WoW is an "old" program, it's essentially one big thread ... it'll throw a few things on a dual core processor but a quad core doesn't help. If you look at laptops CPUs, quad cores tend to be kinda slow, although the Intel ones have "turbo mode" to compensate. General feeling I get is that to maximize WoW, don't depend on any bells and whistles (e.g. turbo mode, multithreading, multi-GPUs) ... just go for the basics. Anyhow, the point of all this is that to maximize WoW, get a faster CPU than the SU7300. But that will directly contradict the "long battery life" you're also looking for. So that's a trade you'll just have to make. But anyhow, with WoW ... not every max laptop spec will get you the WoW performance boost you expect. Alienware and WoW forums are littered with folks with serious Alienware M17X's with quad cores processors and crossfire who get 20-30 fps ... partly because of config problems, but partly because their systems invest in technology that doesn't help WoW.

Other notion is, especially if you are looking for high settings, the laptop will get hot. So make sure it's a laptop designed with good thermals (e.g. vents out the back, lots of vents, graphics card and CPU NOT located directly under your wrists) ... and/or plan on playing it with a cooling pad of some sort. Again, that's a tradeoff, what's the point of a good form factor laptop if you have to lug around a cooling pad as well. M11x doesn't need a cooling pad in my experience. The Sager definitely should have had one.

Anyhow, what I'm aiming to get in a new laptop is ... the fastest base clock speed processor for the money (which will end up being the oddly number i7-620QM it looks like), non-SLI graphics, and a big, high-resolution screen. I have also heard that WoW is dependent on hard drive speeds (no surprise when you think about all the loading that has to happen) and that SSD drives can have a huge impact, so I'm planning on swapping out the stock hard drive with an Intel SSD (most OEMs, apparently, only offer Samsung SSDs and everything I read said they degrade quickly). Generally WoW-performance theme I've hit upon is: CPU clock speed important, hard drive speed important, graphics card not essential so long as it's anything made in the last 12-18 months, and memory not important so long as you have more than 2GB. Some of these trends are reiterated in Gamespot's WoW performance guide if you want to goodgle that. With those WoW considerations ... you can figure out the rest based on what your personal/other priorities are.

Last factor: Cataclysm hasn't released specs yet ... but they've made it kinda clear that they're not rewriting the WoW engine so most of the above won't change much, if at all. Cata is adding some "cool water effects" so presumably there'll be a little more work for the graphics card or multi-cores, but I sure as heck wouldn't spec a computer just around water effects.

There's my two cents.

"Been way too long since I threw up a Wall of Text" Gilga
 
Wall oof text crits me for 10786..

Thanks for the info, I forgot to mention heat... my hp used to burn my lap, not cool.. Durruck, who plays on terenas and works where I work, has an hp that gets hot enough to activate his heat sensitive buttons just below his screen.

I bought my asus netbook because after my research it appeared to manage heat the best of all the netbooks, and my experience confirms this. I would be confident that their laptops do also. The molre I think about it, the more I am leaning towards an asus..
 
Alright so here's my current req's, and I might consider Acer again, MIGHT!!!

Over 2ghz on processor speed, I'm digging the idea of an i3 or better, but if you tell me a particular dual core will work I'll believe you, on that note, I've never been opposed to amd chip sets.

Dedicated graphics card with dedicated memory. Every single onboard video laptop I've owned has disappointed me.

4g ram, 250+gb HDD (I really don't store that much)

3-4+ hours of battery life

Windows 7 home premium or better

Cannot burn my lap
 
I'm generally pro-Dell, never had a bad one .. but I've never one of of the studio ones. They've discontinued the straight-up XPS brand (once they integrated Alienware and made that their gaming flagship) so really you're talking studio vs. studio XPS.

Not sure if your credit changes the price point or not ... you can clearly spec out a nice Studio that will probably get you what you need. But I'd compare to M15X's ... the base model is $1200 and super capable (and again, a student or company discount could take that down 10% or whatever) and you can inch it up with various cheap and not so cheap options. If you want to buy a Dell for gaming, buy an Alienware rather than compromise imo ... yes, more expensive than the individual parts, but it's designed for what you'l luse it for. Downside will be weight (10 lbs) and battery life. But it's a straight-up tradeoff ... tough to get a lightweight, long-life, no performance-compromise machine.

I like that Asus that ewoks found, especially if you're already comfortable with Asus products. To me, when you're buying something on spec, it's really a big deal knowing that you like the feel of the keyboard, that the ports aren't in annoying places to you, and so on.
 
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