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Quote[/b] (Kidan @ Mar. 19 2004,10:38)]
http://www.afajournal.org/archives/23060000024.asp
What i'm referring to is the 1995 study led by Dr. Hamer. In which he claimed that a 6 year study of homosexuals identified a genetic component. But in 1999 Dr. George Rice ran finished another study, with an even larger study group, and was unable to replicate Hamer's work. Hamer is the one that was performing belief comfirmation bias. He, as a homosexual, wanted his lifestyle choice to be genetic, so that's what he reported.
It seems to me, that you are the one that does not want homosexuality to be a choice as much as I believe it to be a choice. Homosexuality, is no different than any other form of sexual deviance, whether its pedophilia, bestiality or incest.
on the majority support, here's a qoute from freerepublic.com
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Code Sample </td></tr><tr><td id="CODE">A new Time/CNN poll found that support for gay marriage is still very low. When asked "Do you think marriages between homosexual men or between homosexual women should be recognized as legal by the law?", 60% said NO, while only 33% said YES.
This is a stronger disapproval of gay marriage than shown by the most recent Gallup Poll which showed American adults disapproving it by 55%-39% - though even this was by a convincing margin.
Another recent poll worth considering is the Fox News Poll that showed that, by a margin of 44%-40%, American voters DISAPPROVED of the recent US Supreme Court decision that invalidated the Texas sodomy law. (And don't forget that Quinnipiac University poll that found that Americans regard homosexual behavior as morally wrong by a margin of 58%-31)
onto the children. I'm saying that the ideal environment for children is in a heterosexual married home. and that is why heterosexual marriage should be protected. Yet still, think of this, you are claiming that homosexuality is genetic, but then you come here and claim that only about 1 in 10 children of homosexuals turn out to be homosexual. Which if you think about, is way lower for a genetic trait (it should be 1 in 4 at a minimum, and that's if homosexuality would be a recessive trait, and both partners had the recessive gene(s)).
No it's not my place to teach homosexuals how to raise their children, but at the same time, if the government recognizes homosexual marriages, that means homosexuality will be taught as a valid lifestyle choice in our public schools, which will interfere with me raising MY child.
A hundred years from now, if homosexual marriages are allowed, our children could be pointing at the point in time, when we really started screwing them up.
my feasible point of the dog, is that animals are just that animals. they don't control their sexual urges, they just do their business. and if there's not a female around, they'll go and do it to whatever's around, whether thats another male, a human's legs or the couch.[/QUOTE]
Alrighty then...
First of all, you cannot retort a point that I made with a single peice of evidence--especially not on such a controversial topic as this. Of course there are going to be scientific studies that go against what I'm saying..I'm saying that the scientific community in general accepts the the notion of homosexuality being at least in part genetic. You cannot throw one study at me and expect me to be immediately swayed...I've done extensive research on the topic..and there's more to support my side than yours. Go ahead and reseach yourself if you don't believe me...but it'll be a waste of time. The problem with doing that nowadays is that you have to sift through a whole lot of bile that has been precipitated by this ridiculous fiasco...but the substance is out there, I assure you. It kind of annoys me that you seem to think that I'm the one making up things here...when all I've said has been well rooted on a berock platform of logic, whereas you seem to think that genetic scientists twist their mostaches and laugh maliciously as they doctor up their own results... You still say that homosexuality is a choice...well...ok, but please back up what you're saying. As is, your arguement it basically nonexistant..
Onto the children. Ok, you say that the ideal environment for children is in a heterosexually married home--based on what? Give me something I can grab onto...this seems to be your main point, and it's pretty nebulous at the moment. As for my 1 in 10 thing..I'm sorry to confuse you--I meant 1 in 10 children RAISED by homosexuals (you tactfully chose not to respond to my point about adoption by the way...) turn out homosexual...which...is a big boost to my genetic arguement actually, since one's parents have a strong influence on how you turn out in the end. And anyway, a person's peers have argueably the most influence on how that person turns out...and as I said before, there is much animosity against homosexuals in society. I'll ask you all again..why on earth would someone make the concious decision to change his or her sexual orientation? If it is a choice...then all homosexuals are fools...since by acting thusly they are outcasting themselves from everything they previously enjoyed. And homosexuals are not stupid...they are just as capable as heterosexuals. In fact, it has been my experience that homosexuals are genrally more kindly than heterosexuals...going directly against your idea of them being inherently evil and immoral... Have you ever gotten to know a gay person?
You say that it's not your place to say how a person raises their children...but then you go on to say that it is... That's just plain sublimation.. And anyway...if your child 'chooses' to become a homosexual...who are you to stop them? Yes, you are their parent...but that does not mean you can change their sexual orientation. Yes, you can give them extensive therapy and force them to repress their urges, but from then on they would be living a half life...always in fear of expressing their true self..for fear of being shunned by society. Would you really want to do that to your own kin? And really...if schools were to teach that homosexuality was a valid lifestyle choice--which it definitely is--it's not like their going to cram it down their students' throats and force them all to become homosexuals. There isn't going to be any homosexual propoganda or subliminal messages. Homosexual marriages aren't going to 'screw up' any children either...studies show that children raised by homosexual parents grown up to become just as successful and well-rounded as any other child.
As for the majority thing, take a look here:
http://www.usatoday.com/news....ues.htm Of course, we could just keep on throwing polls at each other for inffinite amounts of time...becuase polls are unreliable. They can be easily manipulated by the way they are phrased and by giving the polls to certain groups of people. My point with giving you this particular page is to show you the trend of people's mind sets, which actually IS significant. As you can see, people are over time accepting homosexuals..and I don't see any reason for that trend to deviate in the least. This is what I mean by saying that in 100 years we will look upon today as we look upon how we treated the japanese during WWII...we won't be looking back and saying how we started 'screwing up' our children... If you really believe that, please back it up...
You feasible point of the dog is still fundamentally flawed becuase a dog humping something is the same as a human masterbating...it means nothing. What does mean something is what that dog is fantasizing about while he's doing it...but we'll never know, now will we?
CCGR--your point on being bisexual is a good one...I have thought about that much. I personally don't believe that there are any 'true' bisexuals...more like homosexuals who don't want to go out and admit they are homosexuals..maybe subconciously..maybe they just want 'the best of both worlds'...maybe they're just players and want as much sex as possible. There's very little applicable data on the nature of bisexualism..so it's hard to say with certainty how the toothpicks fall. But personally, I do not believe that it is a choice--not entirely anyway. I believe that in order to become a bisexual you must also have those aspects that predispose homosexuality...and then pair them with outside influences. But anyway, I'd rather not get into that...it's a difficult topic for us to argue.