Laptop hunting

Stc95

Tribe of Judah Guild Wars Chapter Leader
I am looking for a laptop that will replace my current desktop and hopefully serve me through my Senior Year in highschool and into college. Since it'll replace my desktop it has to play games. I don't want a little notebook that can watch movies and run word, but I don't need a thousand dollar behemoth that'll run Crisis at full settings. I'm looking for something that will run today's games (and preferably tomorrows ;)) at a mid-level performance, like I said, I don't need the best. I've done some research about what goes into a computer (RAM, Processor, Hard Drive, etc.) and what they do so I actually know what you guys will be talking about. I have a pretty good sense of what I want.. I think but I have a few questions:

For a processor, should I look into Intel or AMD? I've read that they are very similar but AMD can run a lower GHz but is still be as effective as a higher Intel GHz. And I remember Intel being a little more expensive, but they are more reliable. I'm not sure. So I'm wondering if AMD/Intel should be a selling point for me, and how many GHz should I get? Just knowing what brand to get won't help me if I get sucked into a .1GHz processor..

And for a graphics card, again, NVIDIA or AMD? I think they are very similar with few difference, I don't remember the exact specifics. And how many MB should I get and how does that fall out with the numbers they put on the cards. Like: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275. Ok.. what does all that mean?

I'm not looking to build a computer myself, I just wanna know what I want/need so when I go into BestBuy and look online I won't get a salesman undercutting me and taking his word for it. Any other pointers I should know about when shopping for a laptop is welcome as well. Thanks so much guys!

~Stc
 
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I personally would never buy a Dell.... EVAR.

I have always had good experiences with our Acer laptops we use at my house.

As for the AMD being less reliable than Intel, I am unsure of that one. I know for sure they are cheaper.

I would go for ATI graphics over an NVidia 9800 series due to chip failures.
 

Lol.. I meant to say this before. I don't need a $1,000+ laptop, don't want a $1,000+ laptop, and most importantly, can't afford a $1,000+.

I currently have just under $800 saved up and can get a couple more $100 from the parents when push comes to shove, but I'd rather have some leftover cash and not bleed myself dry. But then again, I don't wanna buy upgrades or a new computer in the next year. While money isn't too much of a limiting factor, I generally consider it to be.
 
eek! In my experience I would suggest getting a netbook and using the remaining money to update your desktop. College does funny things to laptops and I wouldn't want to hear of you losing/have stolen/infected/etc a nice shinny new lappy. I dont know what course you are going for but i would think a netbook would suffice.

If you are keen though MSI make small (15 inch) and large (17 inch) gaming laptops that are not only cheap but have good solid components, will play most modern games, and do not have LED lights or other flashing things that scream "I love computer games". In this respect MSI laptops are a little like a mullet hair cut 'business on top, party on the back (well inside in this case)"
 
ok firs tof all AMd is as reliable as intel..th unreliability was back in the k5 days and due to third party chipset issues..not amd cpu's. this is a continuing myth that needs to just die.

Secondaly, right now Intel runs cooler and does more work per clock. the only time i reccomend amd now is if cost is ht overriding factor..otherwise right now it is intel all they way.

as far as gaphics..it's ATI due to nvidia mobile graphics having a high failure rate..due to a major design flaw. Nvidia says they avhe fixed it but we won't know for another year.
 
now i saw one reply that i like. Remember that any laptop card is going to be half the cabilities of the same nomencalture desktop due to heat and power constraints....i have to partially agree with a previous poster..build a new desktiop(you can get a faster machien for much less money) and ge a netbook for mobile compouting.
 
This one looks nice.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115546

Edit: I let this thread sit for a while and forgot to update it...

I am a sophomore Psychology major in college... I write papers... lots of them.

Having a nice big laptop screen and a full size keyboard to use is nice. However, (read that as a BIG however) those things get heavy FAST. You'll say "Oh, it only weighs 10lbs, but when all of your notebooks and books are in your pack, the weight adds up fast.

I use an Acer AspireOne netbook and it is worth its weight in gold... (all 1.9lbs of it). I even wrote an evaluation for it on newegg because I like it so much. It's keyboard is 95% the size of a standard keyboard and the battery life is amazing-ridiculous. I no longer have to plan where I need to sit in class due to my laptop being almost dead (trust me that will be an issue for you too if you get a normal laptop).

I support ppar3566 if you are willing to forgo a regular laptop. If not, I still recommend the Acer laptop I linked above.

Edit again: If you do chose to get a netbook, be sure to get the biggest battery available... getting a smaller battery for a netbook which will only let it last for 3 hours personally makes no sense to me. My Acer AspireOne came with a 6 cell batter which keeps it going for a little over 7 hours.
 
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I use an Acer AspireOne netbook and it is worth its weight in gold... (all 1.9lbs of it). I even wrote an evaluation for it on newegg because I like it so much. It's keyboard is 95% the size of a standard keyboard and the battery life is amazing-ridiculous. I no longer have to plan where I need to sit in class due to my laptop being almost dead (trust me that will be an issue for you too if you get a normal laptop).

I support ppar3566 if you are willing to forgo a regular laptop. If not, I still recommend the Acer laptop I linked above.

Edit again: If you do chose to get a netbook, be sure to get the biggest battery available... getting a smaller battery for a netbook which will only let it last for 3 hours personally makes no sense to me. My Acer AspireOne came with a 6 cell batter which keeps it going for a little over 7 hours.

But a Netbook isn't for games, primarily.

It runs a 1.6Ghz Single CPU with a Integrated Video Card, which is terrible for Crysis!

A Laptop for gaming, a dedicated video is a MUST!

Yes, AMD Ghz is lower than Intels; gaming wise. But like Hescominsoon said,
right now Intel runs cooler and does more work per clock. the only time i reccomend amd now is if cost is ht overriding factor..otherwise right now it is intel all they way.

Single Core

2.4 Ghz AMD = 3.0 Ghz Intel

When it comes to Dual and Quad core, its pretty much the same. But, I don't believe a Triple Core AMD beats a Dual Core Intel.

This one looks nice, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220520

NVIDIA GeForce GT 120M, slower CPU though.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220525

Same laptop, higher CPU, $200 more.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220517

Higher CPU (than first option), ATI Radeon HD 4570 512MB.
 
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Overall, I like my current Dell notebook.

I also like that Dell replaced my Inspiron E1705 with a Studio 1737.

But I don't like having to talk to support for 30-60 minutes to reach someone that actually understands my issue.

I don't like having to go through troubleshooting steps that I know won't work just because the person on the other end of the line can only offer a script, not real support.

I don't like when multiple hardware components fail in a 6-month period.

I don't like sending my notebook to Dell's repair depot, going without a modern computer for weeks, then getting the "repaired" notebook back only for the screen to suddenly die on me a few months later.

Despite Dell replacing my Inspiron E1705 with a Studio 1737 (which, again, I do like), I do not plan to buy a Dell notebook in the future.

I'll probably get a HP or IBM next time around.
 
ok, so I've decided I'd like a laptop with
2.4GHz Processor
Dedicated Video Card (all the video cards have different numbers, so I don't know how to set a standard)
4GB RAM
Bluetooth

I was wondering if I could afford to cut back anywhere (to save cost) and where. Also, I was able to fool around on Dell today and was wondering how this looked:
SYSTEM COLOR: Jet Black
PROCESSOR: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo P8600 (2.40GHz/1066Mhz FSB/3MB cache)
OPERATING SYSTEM: Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Service Pack 1 64 Bit
OFFICE SOFTWARE: Microsoft® Works 9
WARRANTY AND SERVICE: 1Yr Ltd Hardware Warranty, InHome Service after Remote Diagnosis
HD DISPLAY: Glossy widescreen 17.0 inch display (1440x900)
MEMORY: 4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 800MHz
HARD DRIVE: Size: 320GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
VIDEO CARD: 256MB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 edit
OPTICAL DRIVE: 8X Slot Load CD / DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)
BATTERY OPTIONS: 56 Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)
WIRELESS CARDS: Intel®WiFi Link 5100 802.11agn Half Mini-Card
BLUETOOTH: Dell Wireless 370 Bluetooth Internal (2.1)
INTEGRATED WEBCAM: Integrated 2.0M Pixel Webcam
SOUND OPTIONS: High Definition Audio 2.0
KEYBOARD: Back-lit Keyboard
FINGER PRINT READER: Integrated Finger Print Reader
$974- after savings

There are a couple things I could probably cut back on, like the Back-lit Keyboard, to save money. But as of right now, how does that look?
 
looks pretty good, if your wanting to save money for moneys sake, the last three items could prolly take a hit,
SOUND OPTIONS: High Definition Audio 2.0
KEYBOARD: Back-lit Keyboard
FINGER PRINT READER: Integrated Finger Print Reader

do u really need a finger print reader and hd audio? and if you have external storage that u can rely on, u could prolly take a smaller hd.
 
You could also knock off the Bluetooth as well.

Wireless mice that use USB are just as efficient.

I'd personally keep the backlit keyboard :).
 
You could also knock off the Bluetooth as well.

Wireless mice that use USB are just as efficient.

I'd personally keep the backlit keyboard :).

but bluetooth can be used for headsets and other devices not just mice so it actually is pretty useful. and back lit keyboard.... it just produces extra light that drains your battery
 
SYSTEM COLOR: Jet Black
PROCESSOR: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo P8600 (2.40GHz/1066Mhz FSB/3MB cache)
Nice, sounds like a beefy processor.

OPERATING SYSTEM: Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Service Pack 1 64 Bit
64-bit, eh? Make sure you don't have any essential applications that won't play nice with a 64-bit OS.

OFFICE SOFTWARE: Microsoft® Works 9
Can you skip this and save a few bucks, or is MS Works free?

WARRANTY AND SERVICE: 1Yr Ltd Hardware Warranty, InHome Service after Remote Diagnosis
I strongly encourage you to get a better warranty with a Dell product. I'm rather fond of my new Studio 1737, but I only have it (and not a Inspiron E1705 with busted hardware) because I have the 4-year warranty plan.

Granted, I received my notebook as a graduation gift in 2006 and selected the longer and more extensive warranty because it pushed the price past the point where I could use a $750 coupon code.

Remember those "Dude, you're getting a Dell?" Now I can't think of that phrase without adding, "Make sure you've got a solid warranty on that thing."

HD DISPLAY: Glossy widescreen 17.0 inch display (1440x900)
I have mixed feelings on glossy v. standard displays, but you likely won't notice the difference in most settings. Unless you're going to spend a lot of time working outside, this shouldn't be an issue.

Upgrading to the super-fancy display (I believe the native resolution is 1920x1200) probably isn't worth the added cost or additional video horsepower you'll need to run games in that resolution. My notebook runs 1440x900 and it's ideal. I can read text in everyday programs (Outlook, Firefox, the operating system itself) just fine and games look great.

MEMORY: 4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 800MHz
Sounds nice.

HARD DRIVE: Size: 320GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
Upgrading to a 7200RPM option is likely going to cost big bucks. A 5400RPM should be fine.

VIDEO CARD: 256MB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 edit
That's the same card I have. I strongly recommend not using the stock drivers Dell provides. Instead, download the official ATI drivers for the Radeon HD 3650 desktop card (available here) and modify them using Mobility Modder.

OPTICAL DRIVE: 8X Slot Load CD / DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)
Aye, that's standard.

BATTERY OPTIONS: 56 Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)
Stop! Get the 85Whr 9-cell battery instead.

I also recommend dropping the cash for a backup battery as well, especially if you plan to use the laptop away from power sources for extended periods of time.

WIRELESS CARDS: Intel®WiFi Link 5100 802.11agn Half Mini-Card
Aye, good stuff. I have the same in my notebook.

BLUETOOTH: Dell Wireless 370 Bluetooth Internal (2.1)
How much extra does the Bluetooth cost? I wouldn't think the average user would make use of this feature very often, but you might have specific applications (Bluetooth headset, Bluetooth wireless mouse, syncing a phone with Bluetooth compatibility, syncing a Wii Remote to your computer, etc.) that you want to use it for.

I don't have it on my notebook and I don't have any practical application for it. When I want to download to upload from my phone, I just plug in the data cable I bought on eBay for about $6.

INTEGRATED WEBCAM: Integrated 2.0M Pixel Webcam
Cool feature, but, again, not something you'd use everyday. I think it's either very cheap or free, though, so you might as well keep it.

SOUND OPTIONS: High Definition Audio 2.0
Fair warning: The speakers on the Studio series are crap. They're not just bad. They're not just terrible. They are crap. They are, without a doubt, the worst speakers I have ever heard in my life. They sound like a cheap earbud with the volume maxed out. No lie.

If you're serious about sound and don't plan on using external speakers, I would recommend scrapping your plan to buy a Dell and look at an HP or IBM model instead. No matter what options you select on your notebook, the speakers are always going to suck.

I'll put it in bold, in case anyone considering purchasing a Dell Studio notebook is just skimming this article: The built-in speakers on the Dell Studio notebook line are the worst speakers ever made.

Now if you plan to use earbuds or speakers at all times, then the sound is great.

Also remember that the onboard HD audio is software-based, not hardware-based. This means that your CPU will take a hit when it comes to games with high-quality sound (e.g. Team Fortress 2).

The chip Dell uses for onboard audio is also cheap; drivers are only available for Dell, so they are not updated frequently.

If you're serious about sound and plan on using external speakers, then consider shelling out the bucks for a higher-end audio option (assuming there is one). I didn't have a choice when it came to audio, since my Studio 1737 was a replacement for a busted Inspiron E1705.

KEYBOARD: Back-lit Keyboard
Cool feature, but not practical for everyday use unless you do a lot of typing in the dark (or spend a lot of time at LAN parties).

FINGER PRINT READER: Integrated Finger Print Reader
This isn't very practical, either, but it's so cool that I'd shell out the extra bucks to add it on if I were customizing a notebook today.

$974- after savings
That's a pretty good price, but remember that that price tag will quickly increase if you select a better warranty (which I strongly advise you do).

You might want to scale back the processor (which looks like a high-end option) and axe some of the less practical options (e.g. Bluetooh, back-lit keyboard, fingerprint reader). That should help save a few dollars to put toward the warranty.

Honestly, if I were shopping notebook computers today, I wouldn't buy a Dell. I am fond of my Studio 1737 and it's a testament to Dell support that they built a new notebook for me when my old one didn't work.

The sticking point I have with Dell is that my old notebook should have worked. There shouldn't have been any need to replace it. Before Dell replaced my Inspiron, I had several problems with the hardware.

I don't think you're going to get a native English speaker when you call tech support for any notebook company unless you pay extra for it--and that stinks. So maybe Dell support is no worse than HP's or IBM's. I don't know. But after some of the very frustrating experiences I've had with Dell support, I'm willing to give HP or IBM a try.

To be fair, most of the frustration I faced was trying to keep my Inspiron E1705 in working order. Dell seems to have made a number of improvements with the Studio line (with the notable exception of moving from rather good internal speakers to the most crapulent internal speakers ever made), so maybe you wouldn't have to tear your hair out trying to get support for your notebook. It's hard to predict.

Other notes: If you have a desk for your laptop, but also take it out of your home even semi-frequently, I would recommend purchasing an extra AC adapter.

Keep in mind that you'll also need to spend some dollars on a notebook bag/case for carrying your notebook, as well as a wireless mouse (I recommend the Logitech v450 Nano; my wife has one and thinks it's great) and a surge protector (I recommend the APC Notebook Surge Protector).
 
Yea, some of those things, like the keyboard, fingerprint, bluetooth, etc. are extra and can be taken off, but I think the bluetooth was only like $6 extra, and I can think of a few uses for it that would exceed the worth. I didn't even notice the HB Audio, which probably means it's standard and they won't let me take if off, but not that you mention it, I can definitely do without it. I do have external speakers (2 of them) that'll work just fine, so don't worry about the speakers Tek :p. I'm pretty set on the 2.4 processor, and it's not that much more from a 2.0.

I feel like I'm pretty knowledgeable in most categories now, the only thing I'm still fuzzy on is the graphics card. with ATI, Radeon, nVidia, and whatnot, I have not clue what cards are good or not. Right now when I look at a laptop I look to see if it has a dedicated card and I recognize the brand name, other than that tho, I have not clue. For all I know I could be getting an amazing laptop, but with a Radeon card from 2000. Is there any set way to determine if a graphics card is good or not? Or do I just type in the card number and see what google spits up?
 
i ahve ti disagree on the 7200 rpm drive. You'll get performance at the expense of batterylife and an substantial increase in heat which is not good for hdd's since they are not ventilated by the fan in a notebook so they cook. With this drive being a 320 gig perpendicular drive some of hte performance penalties of the 5400 rpm wil be offset by the higer areal density of the hdd. 64 is rarely an issue nowdays unless youa vhe something more than 3 years old. remember laptop vid cards are usually 50% of hte performance of a comparable desktop part due to space, power, and heat con siderations. the 3650 is going to serve you fine..but don't expect to run things at max detail depending on the game.
 
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