Marriage in Canada (break away from Morals)

I had Asia and Africa and some of the Middle East in mind... but i couldnt get Monty Python: Search for the Holy Grail out of my head...
 
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So, is consent of both the bride and bridegroom required? Or does only one need to give consent, or neither? Or is consent required only in some circumstances? Who gets to define those circumstances? What happens if you don't agree with those circumstance? Could you argue that your position is unique enough that it requires protection as a minority right? Would it matter if a majority of people consider it perverse if you are fighting for those rights as a minority and should be protected regardless of what you personally feel about it?
 
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So, is consent of both the bride and bridegroom required? Or does only one need to give consent, or neither? Or is consent required only in some circumstances?
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If its an arranged marriage, then no one can consent. Its totally out of the control of the people getting married.

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Who gets to define those circumstances? What happens if you don't agree with those circumstance?
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The parents. And for the second part.. Tough.

Gods_Peon said:
Could you argue that your position is unique enough that it requires protection as a minority right?
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Is that not what we are doing right now?

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Would it matter if a majority of people consider it perverse if you are fighting for those rights as a minority and should be protected regardless of what you personally feel about it?
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Clearly it does matter to that minority if this has caused such a commotion. I personally do not see the need for gay marriage. The bible states that we as his people should not do these things.

One may argue however, that by arguing over this, we are indeed judging. That immediately puts us into the pot of sinners, along with the gay people. Now we are as bad as they are in his eyes... funny how that works.
 
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If its an arranged marriage, then no one can consent. Its totally out of the control of the people getting married.
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And what about non-arranged marriages?

The parents. And for the second part.. Tough.
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And what about non-arranged marriages?

Is that not what we are doing right now?
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uhm, no.

Clearly it does matter to that minority if this has caused such a commotion. I personally do not see the need for gay marriage. The bible states that we as his people should not do these things.
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Not just gay marriage, if marriage is nothing more then a license to have sex how ever you see fit, then anything flys.

One may argue however, that by arguing over this, we are indeed judging. That immediately puts us into the pot of sinners, along with the gay people. Now we are as bad as they are in his eyes... funny how that works.
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I believe God has given us some latitude in judgment. We don't judge people by fighting for what is right and just. That is worthy of its own thread.
 
I'm not sure how it worked with royal families and aranged marrages but in India there is a choice. Well atleast with most families. My dad was telling me once how when he was younger and friends with my mom, at a certain age families would come over to my moms house and talk about a arranged marrage, but it was up to my mom to say yes or no (I'm glad she said no, because I probobly won't be here if she said yes).
But with most families even if the girl doesn't get to pick the guy and vice versa, they do make the choice to get married.

They [heterosexuals] are right, for example, that if same-sex couples get legally married, the institution of marriage will change, and since marriage is one of the institutions that supports heterosexuality and heterosexual identities, heterosexuality and heterosexuals will change as well."
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I'm sry I still don't get how heterosexual identities will change. We already have gay couples living together, and we still have gay couples adopting and raising kids. The only thing now is the couple can get married.
 
Im in the same boat as Gandi, i do not see how Heterosexual identities will change. As for this:

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And what about non-arranged marriages?
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I think you may have answered your own question by saying:

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Point 5: Arranged marriages takes away the requirement for consent. Interesting that you actually provided the counter arguement for point 4 all on your own. Do you believe marriage does or does not require consent?
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By saying that it takes away the requirement for consent, didnt you basically answer your own question???
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Oh and by the way... I personally believe that only Churches should have the ability to wed a couple, not the state.
 
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So we all agree, that consent is not required for marriage. That will pave the way for those wanting to marrying animals.

The definition and role of marriage has been under attack over the last few recent decades. And nobody by nobody has ever stood up to challange these attacks. It has unfortunatly come to the point where, in Canada, my marriage is the same as the marriage between two men or two women. So Odale appears to have no issue with his marriage being the same as a marriage between two men or two women.
 
I never said that marriage doesnt require consent; i was actually implying that it does. And i believe that you were too, GP, by saying "takes away the requirement for consent". When did i say that i wanted my marriage to be looked at as the same as a gay marriage, and when did i say i did or did not have an issue with it?
 
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You are from the US Odale, so it isn't the same. In Canada, gay marriage = Hetrosexual marriage now. This is the context that we are talking about. Now, imagine for a moment what it takes in order to say that the two are equal.

Either you are bringing gay marriage up to the status of hetro marriage. Which is saying that it is based on the same foundational pillars of hetro marriage. Or you are saying that hetro marriage has been changed, or removed from those pillars, and brought down to be equal to gay marriage.

Gay marriage hasn't been brought up. It is not based on the same foundational pillars as hetro marriage. Therefore, the hetro marriage has had to have been changed. I posted a position paper on this whole issue called "the war of the rings" back in January of this year on these boards that describes how the role and definition of marriage has been attacked and changed in Canada in order to bring it down and take away a fundamental right of identity, institution and covenant of heterosexuallity in order to make gay marriage = hetro marriage in Canada.

I thought I was being obvious in my sarcasm in my comment about consent. Marriage requires consent, even arranged marriage. If I didn't consent to the arranged marriage, I wouldn't show up.
 
So Peon, is your problem that you're not considered legally "better" than those two men, or that they're considered as good as you?

When did you stop beating your wife? ;)
 
Eon said:
When did you stop beating your wife? ;)
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Sickly inapropriate.

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So Peon, is your problem that you're not considered legally "better" than those two men, or that they're considered as good as you?
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Is this the crux of the arguement of your position?
 
So we all agree, that consent is not required for marriage.
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We don't agree, I said even in arranged marrages both people concent, they don't pick the person but they make the choice to go along with the arranged marrage. And I don't believe its right for anyone to be married against their will.

So if your going to go marry your dog spark, ad the judge or priest says do u spark take Bannard to be your husband, is it 2 barks yes or is it one.
 
Eh? Am I the only one that knows that old story? It's one of those questions that's impossible to answer gracefully. If you give a time then that means you used to beat your wife and if you say you haven't stopped then the inference is that you still are.

I wasn't suggesting he ever did - it's because of the question that comes before it being similar to the old story. Well - if nobody got it, I suppose it must have come out wrong, but I can't believe it's so rare as all that.

Look, here, it's on this website...

Proof I'm not low down trash!

All I was suggesting was that either he objects to marriages between gay people because he feels that makes them as good as him, or because he feels that legitimising their relationships makes them no longer an underclass to be reviled. And that neither of those opinions is particularly laudable.

And now you'll have to excuse me, but 30 people just lost their lives in the capital city of my nation. I'm all out of energy for syntactic debate.
 
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<<way off topic>>

My sister-in-law lives in Watford, just outside of London and uses the "tube" everyday. I was more then happy to hear her call us this morning letting us know she and her fiance and his family are all ok. I'm praying that your news is as good.
 
I can't reach my parents and brother, who are on holiday right now. I can't remember where - I don't think they're in London - but I really wish I knew.
 
And now you'll have to excuse me, but 30 people just lost their lives in the capital city of my nation. I'm all out of energy for syntactic debate.
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Best wishes in getting in touch with your folks as quickly as possible. I'm extremely impressed with the resolve and calmness of the British people as a whole thusfar.
 
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