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Marcylene

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And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. Genesis 22:2
And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together. Genesis 22:8
And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. Genesis 22:13

This has always been such a beautiful picture of Jesus as our Sacrificial Lamb to me. As I ponder the real life lessons it amazes me that Isaac lays on the altar...not a wiggly sacrifice as I tend to be when I present myself a living sacrifice. I know there is no greater pain and heartache than losing a child, yet here stands Abraham, full of faith in what God has asked him to do!! Then there is Sarah who has no earthly idea what is transpiring there on Mount Miriah. Was she not in a Spiritual place to accept and obey what the LORD had asked? What a test! I want that calm, trusting faith of Isaac and Abraham. I wonder how they got to that place in their lives? I don't suppose it was an easy road.


This spoke volumes to me this morning:
From Elizabeth Elliot's daily devotions:
Difficulties are Proof Contexts

Repeatedly I am asked variations of this question: Did the Lord comfort you or were you sometimes lonely or sad? It is not an either-or thing. If I had not been lonely and sad at times, how could I have needed, received, or appreciated comfort? It is the sick who need the physician, the thirsty who need water. This is why Paul not only did not deplore his weaknesses, he "gloried" in them, for they provided the very occasions for his appropriating divine help and strength.

It was in prison that Joseph knew the presence of the Lord.

It was in the lion's den that Daniel's faith was proved.

It was in the furnace that Daniel's three friends found themselves accompanied by a fourth.

We have plenty of "proof texts"--but in order to experience their truth we have to be placed in
"proof contexts." The prison, the lion's den, the furnace are where we are shown the realities,
incontestably and forever.

Someone very dear to my heart has been reminding me to keep my eyes on Jesus, not on the storm. I think his wise advice is the answer to all life's difficulties. As I once heard preached, "I hate flour, shortening, and unsweetened chocolate...but I love brownies!!" It will all work together for our good as promised in Romans 8:28.

And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. Matthew 14:29

I need to remember that He Loves me with an everlasting Love. In the storm, through the storm, and out of the storm. My clouds are simply the dust of His feet.

The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet. Naham 1:3
 
I have bitter personal experience that makes me reject what you've said - for every Biblical patriarch whose faith has been redeemed there are too many ordinary men, women and children whose faith has been tested to destruction.

I know some personally.

Better to believe in an uncaring universe, I should say, than believe in a God who tests by murder, torture, rape and starvation.
 
The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet. Naham 1:3

Marcy, would you explain this verse to me?

What does it mean when it says that the lord will not at all acquit the wicked? I thought that's what hell was for, to acquit the wicked.
 
Eon, I have been told in the bar none, most extreme trial in my life that I could allow it to make me bitter, or better. I have no arrived and through trials, all I can do sometimes is to hang on and depend on the goodness of God. I realize, Eon, that circumstances would have me believe otherwise. Yet God cannot lie, His goodness is true.

DV, I haven't posted in ages feeling overwhelmed by trials and Spiritual things. I truly don't feel ready to do them complete justice even now. As I have said there are many things that I don't understand. Furthermore, there are things in God's Word that aren't spelled out and seem contrary to His character. In other words, He does not always give His reasoning for doing some things in every instance. I believe when we see extreme punishment it is always to bring a person back to God. Also, I think there are things of the heart and the patience of God that needs to be considered...when it seems He is harsh, there is more to the story. When I do not understand, I can fall back on Who He tells me that He is. Once again, Romans 8:28 is my favorite verse to cling to. God is working things for our good, and that goes for each of us.

As for the acquit in that verse. It is saying that He will not hold the wicked guiltless. Notice first that He says that He is slow to anger. My reason for noticing that verse on this day is to note that He is in the whirlwind, storms, and those dark clouds that we sometimes see in our lives. I can take comfort in knowing that He is in control.
 
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Dark Virtue said:
Marcy, would you explain this verse to me?

What does it mean when it says that the lord will not at all acquit the wicked? I thought that's what hell was for, to acquit the wicked.

DV you must be using a different definition of acquit than I am...

When God said he would not acquit the wicked, He means He will not let them off the hook.

So yes that is what hell is for...to punish the wicked...not to acquit them.
 
I don't know what your life has been like, Marcylene, but here's an example of a recent experience of mine.

An acquaintaince of mine was knocked from her bike on the way home. She was raped, murdered and left in a ditch for a fortnight. This is the closest I've been to death for about 15 years, so it made me wobbly and a little weepy. My friend who knew her well was totally devastated. The girls father who lost his wife at the start of the year to cancer and now must bury his only child beside her must be inconsolable.

Whilst you can easily apply the statement about better or bitter to me and even to my friend, to do so to this poor man who has just had to perform the two hardest tasks you can ask of a man - first to bury the woman he loves and then to bury the child he loves and was supposed to protect - well frankly it would be trite and glib.

But can you imagine how it would apply to the girl herself? How could her experience make her better or bitter? She was raped and murdered. She endured pain, humilation, degredation and then violent termination followed by the utter spoil wreaked on her body from allowing it to remain rotting in ditch for a fortnight.

I see no trial or upside to that.
 
Malachi 3
2 But who can endure the day of His coming? And who will be able to stand when He appears? For He will be like a refiner's fire and like cleansing lye. 3 He will be like a refiner and purifier of silver; He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver. Then they will present offerings to the Lord in righteousness. 4 And the offerings of Judah and Jerusalem will please the Lord as in days of old and years gone by.

I wonder how much suffering comes from the Lord trying to refine us. To purify us so that we may bring more glory to Him. The Refiner's fire can burn very hot. I then think of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego when they were in the firey furnace and how hot it was in there. They were enduring trials as well. But they were not struggling through as we do so many time. So, by putting these thoughts together, would be be able to attain that peace if we stopped holding on to what God is trying to get off?

You have an awesome faith to not have turned bitter at all that is going on. What an incredible witness for the Lord. There is a popular song out right now by Casting Crowns that also came to mind...

"Voice of Truth"

Oh what I would do to have
The kind of faith it takes
To climb out of this boat I'm in
on to the crashing waves

To step out of my comfort zone
Into the realm of the unknown where Jesus is
And He's holding out His hand

But the waves are calling out my name
And they laugh at me
Reminding me of all the times
I've tried before and failed
The waves they keep on telling me
Time and time again. "Boy, you'll never win!"
"You'll never win!"

Chorus:

But the Voice of Truth tells me a different story
The Voice of Truth says, "Do not be afraid!"
And the Voice of Truth says, "This is for My glory"
Out of all the voices calling out to me (calling out to me)
I will choose to listen and believe-

Oh what I would do to have
The kind of strength it takes
to stand before a giant
With just a sling and a stone

Surrounded by the sound of a thousand warriors
Shaking in their armor
Wishing they'd have had the strength to stand

But the giant's calling out my name
And he laughs at me
Reminding me of all the times
I've tried before and failed
The giant keeps on telling me
Time and time again. "Boy you'll never win!"
"You'll never win!"

Chorus:

But the stone was just the right size
To put the giant on the ground
And the waves they don't seem so high
On top of them lookin' down
I will soar with the wings of eagles
When I stop and listen to the sound of Jesus
Singing over me

Chorus:

I will choose to listen and believe the Voice of Truth

I will listen and believe
I will listen and believe the Voice of truth
I will listen and believe
Cause Jesus you are the voice of truth
And I will listen to you, you are-
 
Didasko said:
DV you must be using a different definition of acquit than I am...

When God said he would not acquit the wicked, He means He will not let them off the hook.

So yes that is what hell is for...to punish the wicked...not to acquit them.


I think I read it too quickly the first time :)
 
Eon, I don't even pretend to understand it all. Just hearing your story makes my heart sick. My heart goes out to you. I have been through tragedy, my loved ones have had tragedy, I see tragedy all around me and I shudder at the sometimes devastation of even the most precious Saints.



Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Hebrews 2:14

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:2

Jesus suffered beyond what we could ever imagine. The bloodiest, most gory of films cannot come close to the depiction of Christ giving His life for us. Our warfare is Spiritual and with my finite mind it is oftentimes most difficult to understand. God loves us beyond what we can imagine. Take the best, most beautiful love story, or all the love you could possibly muster in a lifetime, and it does not come close to the true and pure love that He has for us. On the opposite end of the scale is a wily, beguiling enemy that wants nothing more than to steal our hearts from God and destroy everything and every one that we hold dear.

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. John 10:10

He is our enemy; he is the devourer; he will stop at nothing. I don't even begin to understand why the LORD gave him control over this world. I don't understand why we cannot see more clearly through Spiritual eyes in order to understand that God is not to blame for his hateful, horrible, cruel unimaginably wicked antics. One day, he will get his due.
 
There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way.

The war we fight is not against powers and principalities – it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender.


Chaos and despair - those are the forces arrayed against us in this world. Anything that is an agent of Chaos or despair we fight against. Anything that fights them is an ally.

Thank you for your kind words - I'll be fine, but I do appreciate your genuine sympathy.
 
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