scientists try to explain buring bush, parted sea
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Jango
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Dude, what IS your problem?This is supposed to be for FRIENDLY debate, but you get all upset and make me feel like crap because I'm not good at debates!
Dude, what IS your problem? I backed off of you, and then you reply to one of my remarks with an incredibly short "Watch it." Way to be an ass. Listen, if you're not good at debates, then A) don't enter them with me, and B) don't post remarks like that, thus incurring my wrath
Just a final thought...you may be thirteen, but you should still be prepared to answer my questions. After all, your Bible says so.
Just a final thought...you may be thirteen, but you should still be prepared to answer my questions. After all, your Bible says so.
In the presumtion that you're an evolutionist, both christianity and evolutionism are, in essence, religions, as both of them are a matter of faith.
Christianity is the acknowledgement of Godly superiority and human inadequacy, and that only through God can we be fufilled. Because we do not physically 'see' God, faith is required to believe His existence and His word.
Evolutionism is the belief that all organisms gradually develop from nonliving minerals and eventually grow in complexity until they become the intricate beings that we see today. It is, however, a matter of faith, as evolution is still an unproven theory with no solid proof to back it up.
The acceptance of either of these religions result in the believer's biased opinion of the authenticity of whichever they believe.
Christianity is the acknowledgement of Godly superiority and human inadequacy, and that only through God can we be fufilled. Because we do not physically 'see' God, faith is required to believe His existence and His word.
Evolutionism is the belief that all organisms gradually develop from nonliving minerals and eventually grow in complexity until they become the intricate beings that we see today. It is, however, a matter of faith, as evolution is still an unproven theory with no solid proof to back it up.
The acceptance of either of these religions result in the believer's biased opinion of the authenticity of whichever they believe.
Anayo, this argument seriously makes me want to puke my dinner. I had cheesy chicken quesadias, so that wouldn't be pretty.
Evolution is not a religion. Evolution is based upon objective evidence, not faith. We have observed evolution:
http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
Evolution requires no faith, because it has been observed. It makes sense. It has made falsifiable predictions and been verified. Science is not a guessing game. You talk about its being a theory as if theory means "shot in the dark." Gravity is also a theory -- yes, that's right. Gravity is an "unproven theory", then, just like evolution, correct?
Scientific concepts are only elevated to the high level of "theory" after they have been widely tested and agreed upon by scientists all over the world. Scientists are not engaged in some world-wide and generation-spanning conspiracy. If any scientist could disprove evolution, they'd win a nobel prize.
Science works by actively trying to disprove ideas. Yet when both experiments and observations continually and consistently support this crazy idea of "evolution", we're suddenly onto something.
Creationism does not even qualify as a hypothesis. It offers no value -- it cannot be used to form falsifiable predictions, for example. It is also claimed to have occured in a mere six days, which means that if it did occur, there's no way we could ever again observe it. Evolution, however, is continually occuring, each and every day.
I urge you to check out that link I posted above. I know you're going to say something about scientist tampering and what not, so let me get a head start on you. Check out the "evening primrose" for a great example. This guy was simply studying the genetics of his plants when he noticed a strange variation -- one that could not breed with its parents. Speciation, the dreaded "macro-evolution", as creationists call it, occured. There are many other examples on that same website, complete with citations at the end. Again, scientists are not engaged in some ridiculous conspiracy to send everybody's sould to hell. To deny evolution is to deny something as solid and observed as gravity. The moment I begin to float around town, I'll begin to reconsider the evidence.
Evolution is not a religion. Evolution is based upon objective evidence, not faith. We have observed evolution:
http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
Evolution requires no faith, because it has been observed. It makes sense. It has made falsifiable predictions and been verified. Science is not a guessing game. You talk about its being a theory as if theory means "shot in the dark." Gravity is also a theory -- yes, that's right. Gravity is an "unproven theory", then, just like evolution, correct?
Scientific concepts are only elevated to the high level of "theory" after they have been widely tested and agreed upon by scientists all over the world. Scientists are not engaged in some world-wide and generation-spanning conspiracy. If any scientist could disprove evolution, they'd win a nobel prize.
Science works by actively trying to disprove ideas. Yet when both experiments and observations continually and consistently support this crazy idea of "evolution", we're suddenly onto something.
Creationism does not even qualify as a hypothesis. It offers no value -- it cannot be used to form falsifiable predictions, for example. It is also claimed to have occured in a mere six days, which means that if it did occur, there's no way we could ever again observe it. Evolution, however, is continually occuring, each and every day.
I urge you to check out that link I posted above. I know you're going to say something about scientist tampering and what not, so let me get a head start on you. Check out the "evening primrose" for a great example. This guy was simply studying the genetics of his plants when he noticed a strange variation -- one that could not breed with its parents. Speciation, the dreaded "macro-evolution", as creationists call it, occured. There are many other examples on that same website, complete with citations at the end. Again, scientists are not engaged in some ridiculous conspiracy to send everybody's sould to hell. To deny evolution is to deny something as solid and observed as gravity. The moment I begin to float around town, I'll begin to reconsider the evidence.
That was an unnessicary comment. This is supposed to be a 'civilized' debate While you are allowed to make statements that may or may not contradict that beliefs of others, to express how the statement of another makes you want to 'puke your dinner' is far from what I would call civilized.[b said:
So this proves that human society evolved from primeival slime?[b said:
Suppose evolution is real. If that were so, then why bother trying to convince someone else that their beliefs are inapplicable to reality? After all, we're all just insignificant specks floating in the unfathomable eternity of the universe; chance begot us, and chance could just as easily steal our meaningless lives away. Why bother seeking the truth? Why bother understanding our world? Why even bother living? Does the universe care if we're suddenly struck with a fatal disease impossible of being cured and left to die? Does the universe care if we're kidnapped, raped, and brutally murdered by some homicidal pervert? Does the universe care if we lose that which matters most to us? Of course not. We're just a link in the chain of evolution, a random occurance, an instantaneous existence soon to fade into the tides of time.[b said:
CCGR
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welcome Anayo!
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What do you want, an apology? You should apologize -- I'm the one who considered sleeping with a bucket by my bed last night.[b said:
No, but it gives the idea a much stronger support and backing than Creationism will ever have. The logic follows, the argument is strong, and the evidence is there to support it. It's got my vote. You say it so sarcastically that its as if you are imagining a puddle of slime creeping up and forming a human. Once you recognize what many tiny steps can amount to in many millions of years, such a concept is not at all hard to grasp.[b said:
Done.[b said:
Because I'm not a nihilist. Why, oh why, do theists so often resort to such ramblings? Think about what you're saying -- if god doesn't exist, I may as well not even live? Hell no! My ancestors did not fight their way up through that primordial slime so that I could hang myself! I'm here, I have a chance at life, I'm going to live it and give it my all! I have motivation and desire in my life that drive me to continue living -- if you can't feel the same way about life without god, then I think you have more serious issues than the Bible can help you with.[b said:
You also reveal a lot about yourself -- you ask, why bother seeking the truth? Why bother understanding our world? Because knowledge is fascinating! Why can't you understand this? Knowledge, and my seek for truth, is also what led me away from the superstition in which you are still wallowing! I value knowledge because it will better me in my life, and if I can pass it on, as those before me have, then I can also better the lives of those who follow me. Must I really go on?
I think its ashame that you find life so meaningless. The world we live in, from the vast universe to the tiny ants crawling around on the ground, is fascinating! Embrace this and enjoy it!
Well, since the universe isn't a sentient being, or even an object, no, it does not care. So what? Other human beings care. Why are you so hell-bent on having some great power watching over you constantly? I really will never understand the reasoning behind these ridiculous pleas you're making unless you explain them to me.[b said:
So, such pleas as you have just made reveal a few things about you:
1)Your arrogance. You believe yourself to be so important, such a large and meaningful part of the universe, that you can't bear the thought that maybe you are, in the big big scheme of things, rather insignificant beyond passing on your genes.
2) Your anxiety. You're obviously afraid of a world with no god because of what you feel are the implications of this. This lends serious doubt towards whether you believe as you do because of a rational decision, of because of irrational emotions and desires.
Look, live as you will, I suppose, but don't project your anxieties onto me. I'm quite content with my life, I have a lot to live for, and that is that.
One final note. Let's suppose everything you said was true -- life is meaningless, blah blah blah. So what? If it's the truth, it's the truth, and wanting there to be a god does not make one exist. Please try to defend yourself, or attack me, upon more rational grounds, because horrifically describing the implications of your opponent's view does nothing to strengthen yours nor weaken his.
Yes andofcourse Timor your just a center of selfcontroll, your not arrogant or anything, you say you watched evoluiton, for how long?
There are examples of ppl who dug they'r axe down in they backyard for three years and sold it for hundreads of thouseands to archeologists who could with that axe prove the vikings where in the USA. and yet nomatter how found you are of your evelutionary theori you still haven't found the missing link have you? (or am I waaay of now?)
There are examples of ppl who dug they'r axe down in they backyard for three years and sold it for hundreads of thouseands to archeologists who could with that axe prove the vikings where in the USA. and yet nomatter how found you are of your evelutionary theori you still haven't found the missing link have you? (or am I waaay of now?)
Jango
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He may be rambling, but he is right. In the 1800s Charles Darwin revived ( He did not create. ) the Evolution theory, and almost two hundred years later after many many attempts to find it there have been NO missing links. Which, besides the Bible, is the most overwhelming evidence agaisnt Evolution. Darwen even talks about that.
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Grand Master
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Beyond that, you'd think a god could be a little bit more creative with what he is doing. What's the point of making a bunch of similar looking monkeys or felidae, or the countless other numbers of similar species? I could come up with some more imaginitive stuff.
By the way Jango, Darwin may not have been the first one to suggest evolution, but he was the first to come up with a mechanism for it (along with Alfred Wallace).
By the way Jango, Darwin may not have been the first one to suggest evolution, but he was the first to come up with a mechanism for it (along with Alfred Wallace).
Jango
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I haven't read all of the pages.[b said:
Oh yeah. Thousands upon thousands of species, with some similar species. Very uncreative, I agree. [sarcasm][b said: