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Elijah proved God's existence on Mt. Carmel. Moses proved God's existence on Mt. Sinai and in Egypt. Jesus proved God's existence with the ressurection.

I will pray that God will prove Himself to you with an overt sign. However remember that "a wicked and perverse generation seeks a sign."
 
Gods_Peon said:
The reason you fail to see where he extrapolated his conclusions from the dictionary definitions is because you misread his conclusion. No where in his conclusions did he say "religions are true." You did. He said, they seek the truth.
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Let's not argue semantics. My point was that his conclusions appear to be quite subjective and loosely supported by the dictionary definitions. His conclusions showed a very clear difference between the two, while the dictionary definitions, if examined closely, are very similar.

And my question is still out there: How can you tell the religions from the cults? The true from the false? For there is no objective basis for comparison. Without one, you could have the two completely mixed up, could you not?
 
Jericho_falls said:
Elijah proved God's existence on Mt. Carmel. Moses proved God's existence on Mt. Sinai and in Egypt. Jesus proved God's existence with the ressurection.

I will pray that God will prove Himself to you with an overt sign. However remember that "a wicked and perverse generation seeks a sign."
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You and I aren't characters in a story. We aren't Elijah, Moses or Jesus.

How do YOU prove God's existence?
 
hescominsoon said:
DV i was not bristling nor did i take offense. I merely stated what i see..i ahve been watching you for quite some time..:) I ahve a ery simple way of looking at it and do not need to concern myself trying to logically prove or explain the illogical.
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I don't explain the illogical either, it's not possible.

How do you prove things to yourself if you don't use logic? How do you come to an understanding about your surroundings without using logic?
 
Mr.Bill said:
Let's not argue semantics. My point was that his conclusions appear to be quite subjective and loosely supported by the dictionary definitions. His conclusions showed a very clear difference between the two, while the dictionary definitions, if examined closely, are very similar.

And my question is still out there: How can you tell the religions from the cults? The true from the false? For there is no objective basis for comparison. Without one, you could have the two completely mixed up, could you not?
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He pretty much laid it out in black and white, I don't think it can be made any clearer. Are you telling me you don't know the difference between the society that followed David Koresh (Branch Dividians) and say, Anglicans? In my opinion, it takes quite a stretch to say that the two are similiar. I would agree that some cults are harder to differentiate, thats probably because of well planned out the details of some cults are. That doesn't negate the definition of the two, or blur the lines.
 
Christianity could be defined as a cult if:

1. The person doing the defining is a Jew.
2. That person belives that Jesus was merely a man.
 
Atheism can be described as a cult... get over the cult thing.

Eon, God is the only one who can prove His existence: and he did! On Carmel, in Egypt, on Golgotha! Those are historical events. Nations talked for years about the God who leveled Egypt! Jesus is a historical figure, there were 600 witnesses of His ressurection.
 
While there are certain denominations that could be classified as a cult, I think applying it to all of Christianity is stretching things a bit.

and I did look up the definition of cult before posting. :)

Gen

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from dictionary.com (nice neutral, not religious base site :) )

1.
1. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
2. The followers of such a religion or sect.
2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.
4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease.
5.
1. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.
2. The object of such devotion.
6. An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest.
 
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No, I don't think atheism would apply, actually. The point to be had here is that religious truth is so arbitrary, since for all you know, the religions could be cults and the cults could be religions. That is what "this cult thing" is all about.
 
The scientific definition of proof is an experiment that can be repeated to achieve a predictable result.

God may have proved he existed to those people - or he may not have done. None of them are alive, and HE hasn't been seen in the flesh since JC's time. And we know that much of what they KNEW to be right back then simply isn't so.
 
1. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
2. The followers of such a religion or sect.
2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.
4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease.
5.
1. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.
2. The object of such devotion.
6. An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest.
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(emphasis mine)

By that definition, I am a proud member of the cult of Jesus. I wouldn't call my devotion faddish, but obsessive, devoted, having veneration for... that's me.
 
And in other news, speaking of Scientology, Tom Cruise has gone insane. Anyone hear him on the Today show today calling Matt Lauer ignorant about prescription psychological drugs?
 
[toj.cc]WildBillKickoff said:
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By that definition, I am a proud member of the cult of Jesus. I wouldn't call my devotion faddish, but obsessive, devoted, having veneration for... that's me.
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Why stop there? Every single one of those definitions could fit.
 
The problem occurs when one religious group looks down at another and considers them "wrong" and a "cult" when they fail to realize that THEY are a cult in the eyes of others.

It's a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
 
Your views are simple to YOURSELF. Your views are correct to YOURSELF.

Christians follow Christ, yes. But Christianity isn't the only religion on this planet.

You are saying that the Bible is right because it says it's right. Guess what? There are TONS of other religions and religious texts that say THE SAME THING.

What makes YOU right and someone else wrong?

Look at it from my point of view, as a nontheist with no cross to bear (pardon the pun). Why should I consider Christianity over Buddhism or Islam? Because YOUR religious text says so? Sorry buddy, other religious texts say the same thing. So PLEASE try and answer the question: why are YOU right and the rest of the world wrong?
 
And others place their faith in Allah and others in Buddha, etc etc.

Is their faith misplaced?

If you believe they are wrong in placing their faith in another religion, why do you believe you are right in placing your faith in Christianity? As strong as your faith is, it is equalled and bettered by those in other religions. Do all religions lead to salvation? If not, then some religions are wrong and some are right...right?

Gen you said, "It is not so much what makes us right. God is right". Ah, but WHICH God? YOUR God? What about the Muslim that thinks YOU are wrong to put your faith in YOUR God.

Again, do all roads (religions) lead to salvation?
 
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