What's up with Raiding

Sassperilla

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Umm i just got a couple quick random raiding questions that just suddenly popped into my head as im sittin waiting for my pint of Dublin Ice Cream from Ben and Jerries


Why do we do Onyxia once a month?

Why do we not seem to do ZG anymore?

Why is MC dkp set up using zero sum?

When do we plan on starting BWL?

What if I'm in school when we start BWL?!!??!??
 
I will attempt to answer the question:
Why is MC dkp set up using zero sum?

First, I implemented the current DKP software on our website so I speak from a more technical understanding of why we did it. The main thing with zero sum DKP is that it keeps inflation levels down. Take the following non zero sum scenario, Lucifron is worth 8 dkp per kill and drops 3 set items. DKP going into the system would be 320 and at 50 dkp a set item, only 150 dkp would be coming out of the system. So their would be 170 additional points of un accounted for DKP in the system. These types of systems start to see problems where players have tons of extra DKP that they will never use.

Now take the same scenario in a zero sum setting. Lucifron would be worth 3.75 DKP (50 dkp * 3 drops / 40 raiders). The DKP going into the system is 150 while the DKP going out is 150. This helps reduce inflation.
 
DKP going into the system would be 320 and at 50 dkp a set item, only 150 dkp would be coming out of the system. So their would be 170 additional points of un accounted for DKP in the system. These types of systems start to see problems where players have tons of extra DKP that they will never use.

Yes, this extra 170 DKP would never be spent. And every boss that has a set DKP value greater then what is being spent will only add to this. While it is highly recommended to have a savings account in real life for future expenses and retirement, your toons in the game do not have to deal with these issues. If you don't believe me that this extra DKP is unspendable, lets follow through to the next boss, Magmaddar.

Lets say he is worth 6 DKP to each member for the kill. 40 x 6 = 240 DKP into the pot. He drops 3 items worth 60 DKP each, so that is 180 DKP. So lets assume the raid spends the maximum points it can on the items in hopes of spending the extra DKP from the Luci fight. So it spends 180 DKP. Upto now, the entire raid has earned 560 DKP (320 + 240) and spent 330 (150 + 160). This leaves 230 unspent DKP. This is up another 60 from the 170 unspent from Luci. The raid failed at spending the extra 170 DKP from Luci, and it added another 60 to the pot. Its going in the wrong direction.

I ask you this, if you can't spend it, why have it? Remember, your toons can't retire on it, or use it for future expenses.

Why do we do Onyxia once a month?

Once a month is a little off Sassi. Icthus just started leading it two weeks ago and during those two weeks we put in 3 attempts (downing her twice). Right now he is driving across country to his new home in California and once settled, he said he will settle into a rythm with Onyxia.

Why do we not seem to do ZG anymore?
We just did ZG last week, how does that seem like we aren't doing it anymore. Saddly because Gnome won't be leading it anymore, the frequency we were doing it will go down. But on the other side of the fence, Goblit and I talked to Mystique and Niccii about having them lead ZG runs that we are invited to go to with them. That can start as early as tonight.

When do we plan on starting BWL?
After 3 successful attempts on Rag will ensure the team is properly geared for the greatest opportunity for success in BWL. But we may venture a few forrays into it after we take Rag down the first time. That could be as early as this weekend.

What if I'm in school when we start BWL?!!??!??
Then after you get your homework done, you can join us. Seriously, you are 3 hours ahead of our scheduling times (based on server time), that gives you plenty of time to get it done.

Enjoy the ice cream, and may you not get brain freeze that you can't handle.
 
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Once a month is a little off Sassi. Icthus just started leading it two weeks ago and during those two weeks we put in 3 attempts (downing her twice). Right now he is driving across country to his new home in California and once settled, he said he will settle into a rythm with Onyxia.

I think while we're waiting for Icthus to return, we should still organize Ony raids rather than having a hiatus.
 
Icthus is coming to cali???? Thats awsome, I'm working at one of the amusement parks "Knotts Berry Farm" and my sis and cousin are working at "Disneyland" 2 great amusement parks. and only 20min from my house. :) BTW we should have like a guild help peeps get attuned to Onyxia, pugs bore me, and they suck. Anyway I say we go to Naxx instead of MC/BWL/Onyxia, we can get that sucker on farm status now, GO TEAM GO! lol
 
Naxx is a great instance to look into, but on the whole our guild just doesnt have the gear needed for it. However I look forward to the future of getting us into Naxx. I'd like to see a majority of our members with a majority of there T2 pieces before we attempt Naxx. The T2 helms are easy pickups from Onyxia but the rest only come from 1 piece in MC and the rest in BWL. Granted you need lots of ice & shadow protection in Naxx, but good gear will go a long way in making smooth fights in future adventures in Naxxramas.
 
Naxx is intense...even to get keyed is going to cost the team 150+ in gold for each member depending on their reputation with the Argent dawn. At Reverred it is 1 nexus crystals, 2 arcanite crystals and 30 gold. If you are only honored or friendly, its going to cost you even more.

And Naxx is about gear and coordination the team doesn't even have yet. It will take alot of practice in BWL to learn co-ordination. And difficulty-wise...the easist boss in Naxx is on par with the Twin Emporer in AQ40. So, to put it mildly, the easiest boss in Naxx is tougher then then anything we have yet to experience or plan on experiencing for months.
 
For nax, I'm going the cheap route...run Scholo 20 or so more times and I'll be exaulted...free attunement to Naxx :)
 
I ran Scholo about 40 times for the devout crown.... :( I was dreaming it, it was a say period in my WoW history
 
I also ran it about 30 times on my priest. Never did get the devout crown. I did get the Mage and Warlock ones. Got some of the Necropile gear before it got upgraded and the amazing (for a blue) Metanoia staff.

I feel bad to say this but I got my Lightforge helm my first run. Wowzers!
 
count me in for scholo I live in those 3 plagueland instances anyways. I did not know it was free for me if I get 8k more in rep! I am so there.
 
im all for runnin those instances however can someone help me get the beast skinned ive got a quest tht give me an AWESOME chest piece
 
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