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Esheny

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Hello,
I'm new to the forums. I see that there are various Christian WoW guilds on here along with the separate forums. I was just wondering if there was a general place to talk about WoW not under any of the guild specific forums. Thanks!!
 
You can talk about WoW generally here but less likely to receive timely responses.

The Forgiven General WoW forum, Redeemed General WoW Forum, Mustardseed Conspiracy General WoW forums will all likely get you faster\timely repsonses. Under the Tribe of Judah - World of Warcraft, there is a non-guild specific forums that you can ask questions in as well.

I think over all, most people lurk in all the forum, but just post in threads that come up that interest them.
 
It's so hard for a Christian to find a group of other Christians who are actually open about their Christianity. Especially when there's somebody cynical lurking around the bend(is that the right word?) to "tell" you that you're beliefs are stupid(that's putting it mildly...). I'm glad I found this place to be honest.
 
People who poke fun at others who openly share their beliefs are not about to put themselves up on the chopping block because they know somebody is around the corner ready to pounce on them.
 
macromaster said:
It's so hard for a Christian to find a group of other Christians who are actually open about their Christianity. Especially when there's somebody cynical lurking around the bend(is that the right word?) to "tell" you that you're beliefs are stupid(that's putting it mildly...). I'm glad I found this place to be honest.
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I'm glad I found this place too. There were many questions I had about playing WoW as a Christian and this site answered them. I was recently saved on October 9th and things were bothering me about the game. Seeing as I play a horde warlock (Enydera on Echo Isles, originally from Terenas) I was kinda nervous about renewing my account. People that I've talked to said "make another character". I've been playing my warlock since the release of the game. It would take alot of work to get another character up to the same par. After searching for answers I found this site which answered my questions of being a "mmorpg Christian". I like this board alot and I would like to find other people with common beliefs as me. Thanks!!
 
Welcome! I've played a warlock for many years now. I think the individual will know whether or not he/she will be able to handle that sort of thing. For me, It's just a comical toon. I hope you enjoy your stay.
 
Congratulations on being saved. I'm saved, but I admit that I have a long ways to go until i'm a better Christian. As for being a warlock, I agree, just think of em as a comical toon. So, as I think about Christianity, I come to the "What would Jesus drive?" website and change it to, what WoW class and race would Jesus play as if he started playing the game with us?

I had a nelf hunter, but should I get my good internet back. I plan to relocate to one of the Christian guilds and servers and give my gold to my brother.
 
I've been saved about 19 years now (I was saved when I was 4 years old) and I readily admit that I have a long ways to go to be a better Christian.

However (!) I have been slowly begun to realize that I don't have any more to go before Jesus sees me as his brother and son. And that's straight-up amazing.

Edit: about the above paragraph: Esheny, Macromaster -- as believers, you too don't have any further to go before Jesus sees you as his own. Praise him!

Warlocks... I had a warlock, don't play her anymore. Something about going to a raid and simply dotting things up made me want to fall asleep on the job. I much prefer my Shaman, Druid, Paladin, or Warrior. I am definitely going to be playing a Death Knight in two weeks.

Spiritually, Warlocks are no more evil than paladins or hunters... they're not real warlocks as found in the Bible (those who traffic with demons... demons in WoW are not the same demons as found in the Bible.) But especially seeing as you're new to the faith and I have no idea your back story, I would encourage you to seek God's will in this aspect of your life. It's perfectly acceptable for God to say to one person "it's okay for you to play a Warlock in WoW" and to another "it's not okay for you to play a Warlock in WoW." This is because God has all of our best interests in mind and for some it is not in our best interest to play Warlocks in WoW. So take God's advice as much more important than mine.
 
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I've never really understood this line of thinking. If God calls something wrong, isn't, well, wrong?

Do not let your people practice fortune-telling or sorcery, or allow them to interpret omens, or engage in witchcraft, | or cast spells or function as mediums or psychics, or call forth the spirits of the dead. (Deut 18:10-11 NLT)

“When you come into the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire [an ancient occult practice], or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination [detestable] to the LORD…”-Deuteronomy 18:9-12a
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Sounds pretty clear cut to me.

Now the argument will go..."But I'm not doing those things for REAL, this is only a game, make-believe". If that's true, then using that logic, would cybersex be ok? Sure, God says adultery is wrong, but cybersex is only make-believe. Right?
 
Well, WoW is another story. Not really based on Earth, and everyone in the game uses a spell of somekind. So I'm sure that God won't mind if you play WoW. Now if you're playing a game based on real events, then that's another story all together. Cybersex is still sex regardless, but when you use spells in WoW, then it really isn't witchcraft. Infact, if I'm not mistaken, doesn't Azerath (Warcraft's realm?) have a multi-deity system? And in Azerath, races that don't exist here (elves, orcs, etc) are existent.

Now, if you start taking the stuff to heart and begin practicing it in real life, then THAT'S when I'm sure God would step in and put you in your place.
 
1. pressing a button that causes code in a computer program to cause a screen to pixelate an image is far from getting a book of incantations and attempting to bring forth a spirit or demon into our realm.

2. cybersex, (I assume your context is when two people join some chat room with the intent of performing cybersex) is meant to illicit real feelings in another person who is not your spouse.

Intent determines why your logic is wrong. In WoW, the intent is not to summon a demon or spirit into or to affect our reality. Same with Palladin heals, or any damaging or killing effect. Where as the intent of going into a chat room for the purpose of a cybersex relationship is very much an intent to affect somebody who is very much real.
 
Gods_Peon said:
1. pressing a button that causes code in a computer program to cause a screen to pixelate an image is far from getting a book of incantations and attempting to bring forth a spirit or demon into our realm.
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Let me play Devil's Advocate here...this is the argument that I hear from Christians...this is exactly what makes it so insidious. It's the dulling down of the subject matter. Warlocks in WOW gain their power through unholy, demonic processes...correct? You are REALLY dumbing this down and negating it as a simple keypress, nothing evil going on here, right?

Again, I'm only pointing out what I've heard others Christians argue about. True, this isn't EARTH we're talking about. We're not talking about "real" demons, etc etc. Is that what makes it ok?

2. cybersex, (I assume your context is when two people join some chat room with the intent of performing cybersex) is meant to illicit real feelings in another person who is not your spouse.
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Your definition is just a small portion of what I'm terming cybersex. You can call it virtual sex or pornography or whatever. I would think that you could draw similar conclusions to your argument above. It's just pixels onscreen. What if the images weren't photorealistic...since they're not "real", does that make it then ok?

Intent determines why your logic is wrong. In WoW, the intent is not to summon a demon or spirit into or to affect our reality. Same with Palladin heals, or any damaging or killing effect. Where as the intent of going into a chat room for the purpose of a cybersex relationship is very much an intent to affect somebody who is very much real.
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Is intent the only difference? Are things in this context only wrong when they illicit feelings?
 
Dark Virtue said:
Let me play Devil's Advocate here...this is the argument that I hear from Christians...this is exactly what makes it so insidious. It's the dulling down of the subject matter. Warlocks in WOW gain their power through unholy, demonic processes...correct?
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Incorrect. Warlocks in WoW get their power from program code.


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You are REALLY dumbing this down and negating it as a simple keypress, nothing evil going on here, right?
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I'm not dumbing it down, that is what it is. You are trying to make it more then that. You are attempting to give a program sentient status.

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Again, I'm only pointing out what I've heard others Christians argue about. True, this isn't EARTH we're talking about. We're not talking about "real" demons, etc etc. Is that what makes it ok?
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I don't make it a point to argue what other Christians say. If you want to bring it up, bring it up with them. I'm talking about intent. Is the person on the otherside of of the computer screen reading from a book of incantations with the warlock to give the pixels power to summon a demon, or to summon one themselves, or are they attempting to play a game?

Is it your arguement that everybody who plays a warlock is attempting to summon a real demon? As they say in court, a simple yes or no will suffice.




Dark Virtue said:
Your definition is just a small portion of what I'm terming cybersex. You can call it virtual sex or pornography or whatever. I would think that you could draw similar conclusions to your argument above. It's just pixels onscreen. What if the images weren't photorealistic...since they're not "real", does that make it then ok?
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Even in the broader context of cybersex to include pornography my arguement still stands. Pornography is intended to illicit a real sexual response that is not ordained by God.


Dark Virtue said:
Is intent the only difference?
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To large extent yes.


Dark Virtue said:
Are things in this context only wrong when they illicit feelings?
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Without context, there can be no comment.
 
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If WoW was against Christianity, it would mean we'd also have to count final fantasy XI in, as well as a dozen others, including anarchy online. It's much more simpler to think of these games as simple forms of entertainment and nothing more. Now if they start basing it off of real satanic stuffs, then THAT is when we need to be concerned.

Fel races, as I'll call them or demons as some others would call them, exist in another plane of existence. A plane that could easily be accessed with technology from the inter-dimensional race in the game. I forget the name to be honest... In wow, they are physical beings, more comparable to other life-forms. While I assure you, I know absolutely NOTHING about the satanic rituals, I am almost certain that wow warlocks are nothing like the ones that we would oppose if we saw them.

Also, in world of warcraft, you can play as the undead AND despite what some think about wow, the game's factions (horde and alliance) are both equal. If you take time to play them both, you learn that they both have the same problems, they think that they are innocent, and the other side attacks them. When in reality, both sides continue to attack each other out of a petty belief.
 
I swear I had a response in here.

It is up to you and your personal beliefs as to how far you take Christianity and a game.

To me, WoW was just a game, therefore I named my Warlock Osirys, the Egyptian god of the dead. I thought it was a pretty fitting name for a Warlock. I know a lot of people don't share that same ideology, but ultimately the only ideals that matter are your own.

Also I'd like to point out (if no one before has done so already) that no class in WoW is holier than another one. For instance, Paladins and Priests serve the "Light"... whatever that is... bottom line is that it isn't Jesus or God.
 
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macromaster said:
You know, they need to make a Christian MMO to solve these kinds of questions.
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If they made a game, a Christian MMO, where the players ran around and one of their abilities was to drive demons out of possessed people, would they be driving out real demons by the power of the Holy Spirit? Or, would it be a function of program coding?
 
macromaster said:
You know, they need to make a Christian MMO to solve these kinds of questions.
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I think that a Christian-based MMO would have infinitely more Christian problems than Wow currently does. You would encounter so many problems like which Denomination would it favor or use, what about Mormonism, what about religious figures (saints, the Pope etc...)

I can't think of any more, but I assure you there would be many, many more (like the one GP mentioned).
 
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