Why does one word get the 'warning' than the other
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Avesther
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Accusations of hacking is not tolerated on the server, whether it is "hacker" or "HAXOR".[b said:Quote[/b] (Corpfox @ Oct. 16 2004,7:57)]Someone says, "Hacker; you hacker", an immediate "Do not accuse some of hacking!" warning.
Someone says, "You HAXOR", nothing happens.
So, are 'slang' words not the same as 'real' words?
Or, 'some filter' words not the same as 'real' words?
The S* word, A* word, J* word so instead it would be like S*hoot, S*hite; J*ebus...
Members who use profane and/or obscene language will receive reprimands.
Almost 90% of the accusations come from people who made a silly mistake and died because of it.
9% is suspicious but it is hard to catch when people are yelling hacker left right and center. Hackers will work harder at hiding it making it harder to catch them.
And then there is the 1% that is so obvious it hurts. ie...round starts and somebody pops off the opposing team within 5 seconds.
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The swear filter is maintain manually. We have to think of every concievable permutation of a word and add it. Currently, the list is being relooked at, words are being added some are being dropped.
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As for why hack vs hax gets differing treatments, I have no idea. Every admin deals with things differently. Some admis position is to monitor the accused as quick as possible and then deal with the accusations. Other admins deal with the accusations first and then accused later. Sometimes many things are happening so fast that an admin will let a hax accusation slip while they try and deal with other pressing issues.
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SLNT_FIR
New Member
hmmm... hey guys, just in ADDITION to our verbal punishing forces (without admin) we can punish people by giving them free lead to their head!
HEY!!! THAT CAN BE OUR CHANT AGAINST PPL WHO SWEAR!:
FREE LEAD 2 THEIR HEAD!!!!
HEY!!! THAT CAN BE OUR CHANT AGAINST PPL WHO SWEAR!:
FREE LEAD 2 THEIR HEAD!!!!
TheJfreak
New Member
Not if they speed aim hack we cant
crazy_legs
New Member
eh, with this subject.. i say it jokingly about other members.. i'm like.. lucky hs you h4x0r
.. i always put the "
" to show i'm joking around.. and plus, i think it's more fun being able to do that with friends online
Kidan
Moderator
That will still get you punished. Whether you have a emoticon beside the text or not is quite irrelevent.[b said:Quote[/b] (crazy_legs @ Oct. 18 2004,9:07)]eh, with this subject.. i say it jokingly about other members.. i'm like.. lucky hs you h4x0r.. i always put the "" to show i'm joking around.. and plus, i think it's more fun being able to do that with friends online
How many times does this need to be re-iterated.
Accusations of hacking are NOT tolerated. Period. End of Discussion. If i'm on server and a ToJ member does it, there is a good chance of that member receiving an insta-ban.
Plankeye
New Member
Agreed.[b said:
Come on guys. We need to be a transparent witness out there. I can say that I do not need to sink to the same actions and attitudes that exist in every other Counter-Strike community out there. You want porn sprays, inappropriate language, belittling, l33t speak, hackers and cheaters then there are plenty of servers out there that have it. You want to play Counter-Strike the way it was meant to be played and have fun with your friends, make new ones, and witness to those who do not know Christ then you play on our servers. But if you want to skirt the rules just because you think it is funny then you will find a lot of admins do not agree with you. I can tell you the admins already feel it is a chore just being an admin. Half their time is spent dealing with people who can't follow a few simple rules that are clearly posted. Yet you want us to add determining if a member is joking or not about the what they are saying instead of not saying it in the first place. Come on. Real simple, follow the rules as no one yet has come up with an argument to prove why Christians calling others hackers in any shape or form shows a good witness.
This argument is as insane as the guy a couple of weeks ago that came in here saying we should let people swear. Part of being a Christian is standing up for what you believe in despite being persecuted. I believe Christ is my Lord and savior. Because of His sacrifice on the cross, all the bad things I have done have been forgiven. That I have been given a second chance. So I will stand up for what I believe in. That becoming a Christian has had a life changing impact on me and as a member of ToJ, I agreed to that fundamental belief when I agreed to the charter. So my actions should reflect that change in heart. A change in heart that causes good works through faith. Because I try with all my heart and soul to follow God's will, committing sin is an exception and not the rule in my life. I would hope as fellow Christians you would feel the same way. That Christ has made an amazing change in your life in such a way that it shows in everything you do and not just when it is convenient or you are at church. That means how you act on Counter-Strike too.
I would like to remind everyone that we are not gamers that happen to believe in Christ. We are Christians who happen to game. Christ needs to be first in your life. You put Christ first and I guarantee He will not be leading you to call someone a "n00b" or "haxor". He will be leading you to help out the "n00b" and congratulating the "haxor" with a "ns" comment so that you can build a fruitful relationship with them that you can use to share why it is you believe Christ is your Lord and savior. You want to close the door on your ability to witness to someone, just call them a "n00b" or let them watch you call someone a "haxor" over legitimate play. Here is what I would have thought before I was saved: "Yeah those christians, they are as messed up as everyone else."
rizz
New Member
This is something we as admin have argued out thoroughly before. We determined that we shouldnt say things like h4x even in fun. WE know its not serious but there may be players on the server who dont.
crazydrummer
New Member
i'm gonna have to go with rizz on this one. Its hard to differentiate (sp?) between when people are kidding and when they're serious, even with the use of smily faces and stuff. I have to admit that I find myself doing this occasionally, but as is stated by plank and kidan, i totally think that we should be a good witness to those coming into our server. If we're acting like everyone else, then what makes us so different from the world? Remember that as christians, we are not from this world, but are simply visitors here. I hope that we can show this through our actions and speech on the server, espically to those non-christians coming into our server.
Corpfox
Active Member
[b said:
Odd how I could be the only person that sees that kinda of 'language' in ToJ cs server......
Unless someone else does...
For making good examples for non-christians, it doesn't work that well when its the ones that swear/curse a lot and maybe hack when no one is around. I wonder when they join the server, do they skip the Rules on ToJ cs server and start swearing on accidently or purposely.
Then again, I've been in server that says, No swearing, cussing and inapropriate language and guess what, they still swear and cuss, lamers. They make a rule that they don't follow!
Or, from what I've seen, clanners make rules, strict rules, but only clanners can break the rule, since they made it, duh...and if someone that isnt a clanner and breaks a rule, they get warned - kicked and - banned. Thats not really fair, clanners and non-clanners do not get the same treatment when it comes to following rules.
Not saying any Christian clans does (well except one
Hopefully ToJ isnt the same.
Then again, this is the on-line world, "fantasy world", anyone can talk any way, funny how I talk normal, ha.
rizz
New Member
[b said:
I sure hope this doesnt happen. But you should see how little information i have to work with to determine if a person is a christian or not and whether to let them in to ToJ. The general rule is to give them the benfit of the doubt or email them and ask...
So there is a chance, although a small one, that there are people who wear our tag and break our rules.. This is certainly not a good thing. And i would question anyones faith who does so.
Of course if you see anyone wearing our tag and breaking the rules report it immediately to me with proof.
[b said:
Im not sure what your implying here. Playing on our server is a priveledge not a right. Anyone who breaks the rules will be disciplined accordingly... The only difference is if you wear a toj tag and do it you only get 1 warning (if that) before we ban you.
Kidan
Moderator
[b said:Quote[/b] (Corpfox @ Oct. 18 2004,2:11)]
Odd how I could be the only person that sees that kinda of 'language' in ToJ cs server......
Unless someone else does...
No. I see it as well. And I have had to punish a number of people, and I have banned ToJ members (or at least someone wearing a ToJ tag, the said 'member' never stepped forward asking for the ban rescinded) for it.
If I see this, and remember one never really knows which admin happens to be watching RCON at any given moment, I will punish accordingly.[b said:
[b said:
I understand what you are saying, and when I played on numerous different servers in the past, I would see clans that had rules, that everyone but them had to follow.
Of course, on ToJ, clanners and non-clanners do not get the same treatment. We have never said they do. It just happens that we are much, much, more strick on those who are wearing the ToJ tag, than those who are not.
Avesther
New Member
Corp, I hope that you see that ToJ isn't like that. Have you read TeKs open letter regarding the ghosting thread. ToJ members and leaders are held accountable as well.
If you feel the admins have been favourable to ToJ members, please feel free to contact Elite and discuss it with him. I know ToJ members have been banned on the spot, with and without warning.
If you feel the admins have been favourable to ToJ members, please feel free to contact Elite and discuss it with him. I know ToJ members have been banned on the spot, with and without warning.
Corpfox
Active Member
[b said:
I don't see ToJ like that. They was ment for other people than ToJ's/ToJ's server.
[b said:
I'm not gonna comment anyone's job as a admin, whatever you do, I don't care, your a leader, a responsible one. Your ways are your own.
And I'm not talking about ToJ's, talking about other clanners that don't follow 'their' rules.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Not saying any Christian clans does (well except one) that does that...
iGod was the clan I was angry at, there was a rule that says, "..Only admins with iGod Tag..". Like yours say when only specific people are admins.
The guy that kicked me, had no iGod tag what so ever.
Eventually, I never played at iGod cause of that. But, I do see that in ToJ's CS server, unless Howyouaim 'name' was just cause u were bored or tired or something...or using a secret identity to find anyone supicious...