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Quote[/b] (Ultima Avatar @ Oct. 11 2003,11:05)]...Paul's the Antichrist? OHMYGOSH! ADELPIT! ADELPIT! HERETIC HERETIC HERETIC!
Just kidding. Why do you say Paul's the Antichrist? And why? And how does that fit at all with John's Revelation of Jesus Christ of exactly WHAT the Antichrist would do before being, you know, the Antichrist. Paul was kinda dead about the time John said those words, FYI, so if John's words are "faithful and true" then Paul is not the Antichrist.
So if you don't mind...why's Paul Antichrist?
And here's a question: I say Mary wasn't a virgin all her life. Tuh-tuh-tuhhhh. Is my salvation torn up and thrown into the four winds b/c Jesus is so upset about that? Or is it that the Catholic Church would be so upset about it IF they cared that they would take the task of personal redemption off Christ's hands and refute my salvation?
And I don't see how Paul insulted the Eucharist at all. Ever. In all of his letters. Or Mary. Or the saints. Or God. Or heaven. Or Jesus. Or hell. Or Satan.
And why would it matter if Holy Mary Mother Of God appeared to the Church or not? I mean, that's not like the penultimate of entering heaven. Really, she's secondary, possibly even inconsequential in the scheme of things. She is not the key to salvation. I'm quite certain that another one 'full of grace' would have been found substitute for Mary in a New York minute if God had felt like it. But it was Mary who was chosen to be the vessel of God, and after that, James and who knows who else?
Heaven's not revolving around Mary. Truly, she's nothing in the big picture. It would be God. Mary's not gonna wipe away my tears. That's left up to the Almighty. She is another just like us. Perhaps she's a saint. Hey, maybe she never believed in the Savior and died a Jew to the core, and so she's NOT in heaven. Just a question...Mary's history and becomings are never really expounded on all that much.
So why the undue homage?
Of course Paul blasphemed the Eucharist. In Corinthians, First Cor 11, Paul says that those who don't "discern" the Body will be cursed with illness. Ostensively it looks like he is defending the Eucharist, but this Paulian Doctrine has had two major effects -- 1) That People are afraid to take the Eucharist. Heretical Cults have built up around this Fear. Anyone found in even the slightest venial sin after taking the Eucharist would be killed. 2) Paul makes it seem like the Eucharist depends entirely on what People think ('discern') about it. But Christ taught that it was The Food of His Body and Blood. Nothing to 'discern' -- it is what it is. Paul turned it into a subjective questionmark -- a poison for those who didn't have a perfect Faith, and apparently unessential for all the rest, since they would be saved by their Faith Alone anyway.
Paul is the Antichrist because he leads the Sheep away from the Ways of Righteousness. Faith Alone is a Satanic Seduction. Also, when Paul wrote to the Romans that God authorizes State Authority, he would torpedo any hope for a Kingdom of God by justifying every petty baron, king or bureaucrat into saying that Paul says they have Authority over The Church.
Then their is Paul on Election and Predestination. That was a support argument for his Faith Alone Doctrine. Since God is Omniscient and Omnipotent, then He has already picked His Chosen Ones. The performance of any good work would only be an insult to God who has already made his choices. You would know who the Elect are, because they would be the ones kissing Paul's ass. Once saved always saved. If you were a dues paying member of one of Paul's churches you could sin all you want. Paul was handing out open season tickets on every sin and debauchary. That is why he is the
Antichrist.
Also, he was Anti-semitic. His influence effectively destroyed what had been the nucleus of the Original Church. Christ had intended that the Gentiles be invited into the Judaic Tradition, not that the gentile dogs jump up on the table and steal the feast and run off with it.
Part of it is Peter's fault. In Acts we find Peter saying that "as long as Paul's parishes pay their dues, Paul can say anything he wants". Stupid fisherman! No wonder Christ had once said to Peter, "Get behind me Satan, for you have no idea of Heavenly things but only care about the things of the world".
You would know more about Mary if you were to listen to anything She has been telling us for the last couple hundred years. Even the Bible shows us Angels singing Her Praises. Have they done so for anybody else? but here you are claiming to be so much better than She. And why? What have you done to place you so much above The Blessed Virgin. Oh, I can guess. In your present state of affairs you probably resent that so much honor goes to a "virgin".
Mary was made Queen of Heaven and has been delegated to bestow all Grace. Satan know this, and therefore his tenacious campaign to have all you Prots ignore her. You ignore Mary -- you ignore Divine Grace. He loves it. You have it in Scripture. Christ would sit on the Right Hand of God and He said He would send a Comforter. Well, He sent His Own Mother. In Apparition She almost single handedly Converted Roman Europe. She was appearing everywhere -- "Build a Chapel for me Here", "Build a Chapel for Me there". Why do you think that She became so Famous, if She had not been out in front doing everything. And She did all this within extremely Patriarchal Societies. For every Bishop that was for Her, there were three or four that grumbled exactly the way you do. But they weren't Appearing everywhere directing all the Action, as She did, as She still does.
Okay, I like how you tempt fate. "Mary won't wipe away your tears". Read the Bible! (Not Paul) Christ will be Judge. Christ will have no problem uprooting the 'tares' and throwing them in the Oven. So who will be your Advocate? When Christ accuses you of your every sin since Baptism, who will defend you? but you have already told The Mother of God to get lost!
At the Crucifixion when Christ gave John The disciple He Loved to Mary His Mother, and His Mother to John the Disciple He Loved, what is it that you think was happening? Well, it was a personal arrangement -- since Mary had no other children She would need someone to look after Her. But, remember, He also gave John to Her. Did he need Her Help? Yes! Keep in mind, that John was the only one of Hundreds of Apostles and Disciples that bothered to show up at the Crucifixion -- the rest were hiding in the most cowardly fashion. Only Love can transcend Fear. John was Standing In for all those who Loved Jesus. Jesus gave Them His Mother. But yes, he was certainly not including you!
