Christ's Return

what you dont realize is the time isnt ripe yet for the harvest and Christ will not be returning. this is hotly debated.

want a point to ponder

Christ died in 33AD actually. in about 90 AD or so Revelation was written. it mentions a 2000 year reign of Lucifer.

Now could that mean that Christ will return in 2033 or 2090 AD? maybe.

WIll it effect the way i teach and preach? no not really.

Christ explains all the "rules" he has given us. what he never really explained was the kingdom of God, and when he would be returning. he simply says he will be like a thief in the night. if you know when you will be robed you can guard against it. same concept i think. we know when Jesus is coming so we might as well repent the day before. i dont think that is what God wants to encourage. Just my oppion.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Soon.
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Byblos, look at what I asked: You never did tell me what SOON was supposed to mean according to Christ. To Christ, does SOON mean 2,000, 3,000, 4,000 years?

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Quote[/b] ]Sure i think he is comming within my lifetime. I said why already.
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ARGH. You said, "I dont know... I cant prove he will and I cannot prove he will not. But I hope he does."

So which is it, I don't know or Yes, you think He's coming in your lifetime?

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Quote[/b] ]ITs gong to be soon.... probobly at most like 100 years, at most.
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I'm sure those believers 2,000 years ago thought the same thing.
 
"Christ died in 33AD actually. in about 90 AD or so Revelation was written. it mentions a 2000 year reign of Lucifer. "

LoJ, could you show me that verse?
 
Of course.. He doesnt want us to know because then duh we will all do terrible things then on the day before say we are Sorry. He doesnt want us to know because he wants us to always be expecting him to come and always busy in is work.
 
Soon for a child is five minutes, next week for an adult, any moment for premillennialists and within 40 years for Christian Reconstructionists.

For Jesus, it was in regards to a timeline, the next step, not to a passing of time. In all the scripture, Jesus says that his second coming is at hand, that he comes soon, quickly, we are at the doorstep, it is imminent. But the scripture also warns that he will tarry and take his time, so that all would be saved.

We know from scripture that his second coming could not be imminent, or at any moment because we are given signs that lead up to it. We also know it couldn't be in a very short time (40 years) because the signs would take many years, thousands possibly (appearantly) to take place. The usage of soon or near appears very strongly to not represent the passage of time because of this. This leaves but only one last explaination, and that soon or near was relative to a timeline. ie...This first, then this, next that and soon this will be done. Not in relation to passing of time, rather, order of events.
 
Scripture doesnt say that Christ died in 33 AD.

we know Christ lived to be 33, the early church fathers who made the AD started when Jesus was born.

Also we have outside reference like Joesphous who mentions Jesus, and his death.
 
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Quote[/b] (Gods_Peon @ Oct. 05 2004,3:51)]Soon for a child is five minutes, next week for an adult, any moment for premillennialists and within 40 years for Christian Reconstructionists.

For Jesus, it was in regards to a timeline, the next step, not to a passing of time.  In all the scripture, Jesus says that his second coming is at hand, that he comes soon, quickly, we are at the doorstep, it is imminent.  But the scripture also warns that he will tarry and take his time, so that all would be saved.

We know from scripture that his second coming could not be imminent, or at any moment because we are given signs that lead up to it.  We also know it couldn't be in a very short time (40 years) because the signs would take many years, thousands possibly (appearantly) to take place.  The usage of soon or near appears very strongly to not represent the passage of time because of this.  This leaves but only one last explaination, and that soon or near was relative to a timeline.  ie...This first, then this, next that and soon this will be done.  Not in relation to passing of time, rather, order of events.
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And once again I will ask...Why did Christ find it necessary to use immenent terms if He didn't mean them? Why was He misleading His followers into thinking He would return in their lifetime?
 
LoJ, I was referring to the 2,000 year reign of Satan. (using the term Lucifer is a sore spot with me
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I think historians have issues with Josephus' reference to Christ by the way.
 
oh the verse from Revelation sure, i will find it after dinner for you, i know some historians dont like Josephus, but he has more MSS (manuscripts) than most of his time.

people dont doubt that aristole or Socristies where alive when they have less than 8 MSS around

Ceasear has around 10-15 MSS around

The Bible has 22k+

Josephus has about 30-40MSS around


this is going off of memory the numbers might be off give or take like 2-8. its been a while, i am not sure where i have the numbers burried right now either.
 
The reason why I asked was because I know of a ONE thousand year reign of Satan in Revelations, but not a TWO thousand year reign.
 
its been a while since i read the book, so far i have found that satan is bound for 1000 years, not ruling. well i cant find it i guess the number is wrong forget that theory... lol guess i cant sell it to the Jehovah wittnesses for some money
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[b said:
Quote[/b] (BMM @ Oct. 05 2004,5:18)]Dark Virtue,

GOD has existed forever, and compared to that, 2000 years isn't very long
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Granted.

But that is not, nor has it been, my point.

My point is why Christ led his followers to believe that He would return SOON.
 
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Quote[/b] (LionOfJudah @ Oct. 05 2004,5:05)]its been a while since i read the book, so far i have found that satan is bound for 1000 years, not ruling.  well i cant find it i guess the number is wrong forget that theory... lol guess i cant sell it to the Jehovah wittnesses for some money
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No offense, but you sounded so SURE about that theory
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Revelation 20

The Thousand Years

1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Satan's Doom

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
 
yeah i know about the 1000 years. eh it was just a theory i toss around here and there i forget why i even picked a 2000 years... it was formed like 6 yrs ago and since then i just toss it around as a point to ponder.
 
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