Avesther
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So far, the only reason a class set has been DE'd is because everybody already had the item. No class set has been DE'd because everybody passed on it regardless if they had it.
So far the loot distribution has been equatable and is working as intended. Lets not loose the big picture here Yokie, and to everybody else who is new to DKP and raiding.
The DKP system naturally rewards those who put in the upfront effort into learning an instance with first crack at most of the drops. But that is where it ends. Once you have your benediction, your are not going to take the eye again. Once you have your helm of wrath, you are not going to take it again. This is a natural incentive to get people out to do what it takes to learn a new instance. But not everybody likes the learning process and thats ok. And some people can't be there in the learning process because they were level 23 when we started. Thats ok too.
Those who come in later get their phat loot as well. They just don't normally get a chance at the first drops. They get the items that the team already have and have passed on, this is not degrading, you just weren't there for the first drop. Once the new persons DKP raises above another persons, they will have earned the opportunity at getting loot before those who have been there longer. Does this happen, you bet.
I looked at the DKP for the priests that show up for the raids, not including myself or Quantam (trust me, you are not competing with us for loot). That means I looked at:
Icthus: 140 Current DKP, 140 Earned DKP (7/8 prophecy)
Deamiter: 107 Current DKP, 307 Earned DKP (4/8 prophecy)
Thelon: 98 Current DKP, 248 Earned DKP (3/8 prophecy)
Yokie: 85 Current DKP, 85 Earned DKP (0/8 prophecy, just started raiding)
Laraptor: 83 Current DKP, 283 Earned DKP (4/8 prophecy)
Strongtower: 74 Current DKP, 174 Earned DKP (2/8 prophecy)
Mituba: 73 Current DKP, 253 Earned DKP (3/8 prophecy)
Alhana: 43 Current DKP, 293 Earned DKP (4/8 prophecy, 1 Arcanist piece for mage)
Just looking at your DKP Yokie, you are fourth amongst the priests. Of those above you, only Icthus needs the Prophecy boots, and none of them need the prophecy shoulders and only Thelon needs the gloves. So your are really in the think of things with the priests.
But I don't want you too just look at their current DKP, I included their earned DKP for a reason. Notice the pattern. Those who have earned over 275 DKP all have 4/8, those above 250 have 3/8 and those who have earned over 150 DKP have 2/8. Generally speaking, by the time you have earned 100 DKP you will have gotten a piece. And then every 50 DKP after that, you will have gotten another piece. If you follow the math, those at 300 DKP are next to get their 5th item, and that happens to be Deamiter. He is at 300 DKP and is next on the list to get a piece of prophecy. The system seems to be working. Once he gets that piece he will drop to 57, putting him below Mituba, which is expected, and that then puts Thelon into position to get his 4th piece as he approaches 275 DKP.
The only exceptions to this are myself, Ichtus and Quantam. Ichtus and myself came in geared to the teeth, so we really don't count in the stats and Quantam is only going for plus damage gear because he is our shadow priest (and only one allowed to do so I may add.)
I, and others, have personally put on hold our own progression in the end game to bring it to others (Goblit - Warlock, Melko - Mage, Fjorboug and Samuraij - Warriors, Icthus - Priest). We could have continued to run BWL with the Holicron Knights and have 8/8 T2 now and a chunk of AQ40 gear. Instead, We put that on hold so that the guild and friends could gear up in MC. Had we not done so, MC would not have happened. I believe our decision was the right decision and that decision will not come without personal rewards. In my mind, all we have done is postponed a sure thing so that others can reap rewards in the interim.
The idea of putting a roll into the equation negates the sacrifices other have made, and thats unfair to them, for what? I'll gaurantee you this, after raiding MC for a year now, if a new priest comes in and on the second kill of rag, the pants of trancendance drops and wins them over me because of a roll, I'll quit this game.
So far the loot distribution has been equatable and is working as intended. Lets not loose the big picture here Yokie, and to everybody else who is new to DKP and raiding.
The DKP system naturally rewards those who put in the upfront effort into learning an instance with first crack at most of the drops. But that is where it ends. Once you have your benediction, your are not going to take the eye again. Once you have your helm of wrath, you are not going to take it again. This is a natural incentive to get people out to do what it takes to learn a new instance. But not everybody likes the learning process and thats ok. And some people can't be there in the learning process because they were level 23 when we started. Thats ok too.
Those who come in later get their phat loot as well. They just don't normally get a chance at the first drops. They get the items that the team already have and have passed on, this is not degrading, you just weren't there for the first drop. Once the new persons DKP raises above another persons, they will have earned the opportunity at getting loot before those who have been there longer. Does this happen, you bet.
I looked at the DKP for the priests that show up for the raids, not including myself or Quantam (trust me, you are not competing with us for loot). That means I looked at:
Icthus: 140 Current DKP, 140 Earned DKP (7/8 prophecy)
Deamiter: 107 Current DKP, 307 Earned DKP (4/8 prophecy)
Thelon: 98 Current DKP, 248 Earned DKP (3/8 prophecy)
Yokie: 85 Current DKP, 85 Earned DKP (0/8 prophecy, just started raiding)
Laraptor: 83 Current DKP, 283 Earned DKP (4/8 prophecy)
Strongtower: 74 Current DKP, 174 Earned DKP (2/8 prophecy)
Mituba: 73 Current DKP, 253 Earned DKP (3/8 prophecy)
Alhana: 43 Current DKP, 293 Earned DKP (4/8 prophecy, 1 Arcanist piece for mage)
Just looking at your DKP Yokie, you are fourth amongst the priests. Of those above you, only Icthus needs the Prophecy boots, and none of them need the prophecy shoulders and only Thelon needs the gloves. So your are really in the think of things with the priests.
But I don't want you too just look at their current DKP, I included their earned DKP for a reason. Notice the pattern. Those who have earned over 275 DKP all have 4/8, those above 250 have 3/8 and those who have earned over 150 DKP have 2/8. Generally speaking, by the time you have earned 100 DKP you will have gotten a piece. And then every 50 DKP after that, you will have gotten another piece. If you follow the math, those at 300 DKP are next to get their 5th item, and that happens to be Deamiter. He is at 300 DKP and is next on the list to get a piece of prophecy. The system seems to be working. Once he gets that piece he will drop to 57, putting him below Mituba, which is expected, and that then puts Thelon into position to get his 4th piece as he approaches 275 DKP.
The only exceptions to this are myself, Ichtus and Quantam. Ichtus and myself came in geared to the teeth, so we really don't count in the stats and Quantam is only going for plus damage gear because he is our shadow priest (and only one allowed to do so I may add.)
I, and others, have personally put on hold our own progression in the end game to bring it to others (Goblit - Warlock, Melko - Mage, Fjorboug and Samuraij - Warriors, Icthus - Priest). We could have continued to run BWL with the Holicron Knights and have 8/8 T2 now and a chunk of AQ40 gear. Instead, We put that on hold so that the guild and friends could gear up in MC. Had we not done so, MC would not have happened. I believe our decision was the right decision and that decision will not come without personal rewards. In my mind, all we have done is postponed a sure thing so that others can reap rewards in the interim.
The idea of putting a roll into the equation negates the sacrifices other have made, and thats unfair to them, for what? I'll gaurantee you this, after raiding MC for a year now, if a new priest comes in and on the second kill of rag, the pants of trancendance drops and wins them over me because of a roll, I'll quit this game.
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