Dark Virtue
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My biggest issue here is in myself now. How many people have I missed witnessing to because I spend my time discussing whether God is real or not with someone that is afraid to step out in faith first and then let God reveal himself?
Ooh, ouch, that hurt
What you fail to realize is that I HAVE stepped out in faith, I was once a Christian. The problem is that God didn't reveal himself to me. I found an overwhelming amount of nothingness.
No one is forcing you to be here. If you feel your time and efforts are better spent elsewhere, so be it. I find it hightly doubtful though, that you witness to people that don't ask you questions.
Like I said, there is no proof except through personal experience. Peter walked on water because he had faith and focused on Jesus. When he took his focus off Jesus he began to sink.
So how do you explain those of us that, through personal experience, have had no contact with God or Jesus...even though we actively sought them out?
How you treat me is irrelevent. Personally you could call me stupid, ignorant, foolish, etc. I wouldn't take offense or care. God knows me, and knows I try my best to witness. Do I fall short? Always, but that's the beauty of his gift. He knows we are not perfect.
It may be irrelevant to you, but it's not irrelevant to me. I don't live my life debasing and defaming others for kicks. I simply don't need a diety to force me to live a moral life.
One day everyone will have their proof of God's existence, and I am sorry for those that I didn't help, that I could have. I did my best and God will know that and forgive me. That is why Jesus came here.
Guess what? YOU AREN'T HELPING ANYONE! Isn't that what you said yourself, just now in this thread? If you can't furnish proof or evidence, what help do you serve? How are you helping? No offense intended here, this is a genuine question.
What is your purpose here...honestly?
I've stated this many, many times. You can do a search for a more detailed answer, but the quick answer is that I want to understand why you believe what you believe. Because up to this point, it all seems very illogical and unreasonable.
Do you want proof of God?
Of course I do, but I'm not asking you to furnish me with proof. There are those, however, that claim to have "proof" or "evidence". Those are the people that I ask for proof. Invariably, I find they have a very slanted definition of proof.
Or do you want to disprove him?
You can't prove a negative, as I have stated. YOU are the one claiming the positive, aren't you? Thus, the onus is on you to prove your statement. Note that I have NEVER claimed to disbelieve in God or claim God doesn't exist. To do so would be foolish...just as foolish to believe the opposite without proof.
If you want proof...then we do need to pray for you. If you want to disprove him, then we are wasting time. I have my proof, for me and my family, and I thank God daily for all that he has done.
Why do you need to pray for me when I have prayed for myself?